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Title: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: Jim Webster on July 19, 2020, 05:33:30 PM
Interesting research,  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/invasion-ancient-egypt-may-have-actually-been-immigrant-uprising

Title: Re: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: Duncan Head on July 19, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
This is hardly a new theory, is it? The dental evidence is new, but its value as evidence for the origin of the Hyksos seems to be nil; OK there were migrants there, so prove they had anything to do with the "Rulers of foreign countries".
Title: Re: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: Jim Webster on July 19, 2020, 09:10:55 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on July 19, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
This is hardly a new theory, is it? The dental evidence is new, but its value as evidence for the origin of the Hyksos seems to be nil; OK there were migrants there, so prove they had anything to do with the "Rulers of foreign countries".

It's not an area I've followed too closely but even I have noticed that there doesn't seem to be evidence for 'pre-conquest of Egypt' Hyksos which you'd expect if they were powerful enough to invade
Title: Re: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: stevenneate on July 22, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Manfred Bietak has been digging (mainly Avaris) and writing about the Hyksos for yonks (that's like an era, but shorter).  He doesn't go for the foreign invaders bit either and suggests that the evidence was they were already there, possibly coming as sea-borne traders from Byblos and then were supplemented by all the usual culprits as they gained success in securing Avaris and all the port access that entailed, as well as the northern roads to Palestine.  In the confusion of the period with Egypt split apart, successful trade options and booty are powerful draw cards. 
Title: Re: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: Jim Webster on July 22, 2020, 02:15:05 PM
Quote from: stevenneate on July 22, 2020, 01:56:42 PM
Manfred Bietak has been digging (mainly Avaris) and writing about the Hyksos for yonks (that's like an era, but shorter).  He doesn't go for the foreign invaders bit either and suggests that the evidence was they were already there, possibly coming as sea-borne traders from Byblos and then were supplemented by all the usual culprits as they gained success in securing Avaris and all the port access that entailed, as well as the northern roads to Palestine.  In the confusion of the period with Egypt split apart, successful trade options and booty are powerful draw cards.

That has, 'fascinating wargames campaign' written all over it  8)
Title: Re: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: stevenneate on July 28, 2020, 02:23:49 PM
Been working on it.  My plan is to set it up as a series of linked games. Win or loss will add some bonus or deficit to the next. Troops are being rebased for the conflict. Kind of like recruiting!
Title: Re: ‘Invasion’ of ancient Egypt may have actually been immigrant uprising
Post by: Jim Webster on July 28, 2020, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: stevenneate on July 28, 2020, 02:23:49 PM
Been working on it.  My plan is to set it up as a series of linked games. Win or loss will add some bonus or deficit to the next. Troops are being rebased for the conflict. Kind of like recruiting!

sounds fun  8)