Could anyone recommend figures for the Royal Banderium in 15mm please?
Essex don't have pictures for most of their Hungarian Knights......
Monty Luhmann (http://twincitiesfieldofglory.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/the-royal-banderium-and-acdc.html) does.
Drew Jarman (http://drewjarman.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/later-hungarian-generals-royal-banderium.html) also used various Essex figures.
Not sure if these are 15mm but dropping a comment on either site should elicit a response.
Thanks, I had seen those but looking at Somogyi's book 'The Army of King Matthais 1458-1526' some of the nobles have mounts with cloth barding (over armour?) and I'm interested in those, and those that are shielded have bouched shields, and I can't see what the Essex ones have.....
None of the Essex figures appear to be shielded at all - unfortunately I am quite ignorant about this army and period and cannot help.
Perhaps someone more knowledgeable?
There was a thread on dbmmlist on this subject not long ago: a useful contribution from Pete Kershaw at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DBMMlist/conversations/messages/172243
Another Essex option if you want the shield is the Serbian EMED 68a.
Really useful, thanks Duncan.
I finally went with Mirliton, using the sallet wearing figures from the Burgundian range. Also inspired by Somoygi's book, I gave a couple of generals a cloth barding for their horse by using green stuff over the existing metal armour (slightly filed down). I also added green stuff feathers to some helmets which are surprisingly easy and robust.
For earlier the Mirliton Condotta knights should work (though I have a feeling the armour in Germany was more German than Italian influenced). Some have a simpler barding which is easier to paint with heraldry.
I ummed and ahhed about adding shields and decided not to in the end. I think some of the Donnington shields would be the right shape though I might be tempted to make a master and then mould them from a simple push mould. I have done a few shields this way and they are pretty easy if you don't want large numbers. I did make some winged shields but didn't use them in the end - partly to save painting as I was running out of time.
Incidentally, I also did the banners based on Somoygi's book. Most of the Hungarian armies I've seen around use the rather limited number of Hungarian flags on a couple of websites. I said I'd let Damian at Donnington have some pictures as he was interested in getting some made - must get round to that.
Thanks Peter
I ordered some samples from QR in Poland following your tip.
Do you have any pictures of your efforts with green stuff?
Good flags would be a real bonus....
I keep intending to do some photos - it has been an age since I've updated my blog. My camera is at work so I'll try to do some next week.
Be good to see them Peter
Did you go with both Mirliton
CC 23 Knights in Italian style armour with sallet on walking horses
CC 24 Knights in Maximilian armour with sallet on walking horses
I went with a mix of Italian and Maximilian* and also the charging and walking.
I've tended to avoid charging lancers for a while as the lances make it difficult to get contact with other bases, but I acquired a bunch of mixed figures so thought I'd better use them.
(Which is actually Gothic, despite what Mirliton call it)
Thanks
'Which is actually Gothic, despite what Mirliton call it'
I'll stop fretting about the Mirliton descriptor and get buying
Eye candy only, since they're 28mm: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=440099
Nice......thanks.
I went on his blog and he has helpfully loaded the scans of the flags for general use
http://miniaturesoldiers.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/black-army-of-matthias-corvinus-heavy.html
It is useful to have the scans of the flags.
I would have thought that the reverse of the flag would have the arms reversed - that is normally the case. The layout of some of the arms in Somoygi is a bit puzzling though, especially wrt to the facing of the Bohemian lion and the Hunyadi crow. This does seem to be based on some Medieval pictures but I suspect artistic reasons rather than this being the actual usage. E.g. in one case, the facing of the animals seems to have been reversed so that they haven't turned their back on the king in the picture.
The IHS monogram may not have been reversed though.
I ordered some Mirliton from Martin at Vexillia last week.
While I was at it I also ordered some of his own 15mm Medieval Eastern Europe 1400 - 1500 range, namely the Crossbowmen and the later Handgunners, and some of his Polish armoured pavisiers to use as Armati/Clipeati.
Really like all these figures, little gems to my eye; well sculpted and posed and in kit that will work.
Quote from: rodge on December 22, 2016, 09:55:59 AM
I ordered some Mirliton from Martin at Vexillia last week.
While I was at it I also ordered some of his own 15mm Medieval Eastern Europe 1400 - 1500 range, namely the Crossbowmen and the later Handgunners, and some of his Polish armoured pavisiers to use as Armati/Clipeati.
Really like all these figures, little gems to my eye; well sculpted and posed and in kit that will work.
Yes, they are very nice figures.
If you ever get any of the cavalry, I was initially put off by the horses. However, I decided to use the horses for mounting some different light cavalry and they painted up very nicely - so much so that i ended up bulk buying a load of horses to use for various things.
Finally did some photos.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HmkbWh13H65St1l1DKk9jogi270YLioZqpicNjF6Pmn7-m5OWF6W5KDM86KiRtzbZFNakHSJ7VOHzudMuCE1v_wW4gVZ6-6BLR1f4ZVB8RC8KyqPfa9hrE3zTAekQJ6ilqRMPSHnYQTfoNwjRQpDr9k-tI45rJ2YNzQqucLEl0yxi1IK9U5M1KSt71MC121d9jrQyO6BbgKAh4fj-g1pk1kZfKiZ2cKrUEjIIVW1BiVcx2F-Zp_IIBYi6lqFitbiiAOd7kYOFZYbiWp0nVk091LJtXK6eFVwz1chnumeHQwn8crGS5SWX4OiN-xGuvN9edi2RZaEME6u1N9NGRTFeX8Z-EXdaDLWujuXFvuj-1PJbrclNkm_G03-qbQgjWV5t_L4BUETXvVprJIyiM50DOQBu9RxkitE3NU2CF_IeMEKD2xZAl8nZW28chN3kJBqauPBIJipBVvLc9obB6oB7NqDxAifHC5CWoEEZT3DbBGja9a0JChDgiL9u2wQglnVsiydOV5HOOSihRFgTfI_mWOHOOyQEBaNEY_xKr044fsDHRsAROSsHXfnzTIZWttHff0rTM74W2fMEuoPstgN_ZMTJT0CevdrNbgsloq4_C4U2oXvKWN3=w1267-h951-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QUcGf7s0zcfiDcGJc4CthCLoLa2GOBWgG0mgutgl9WtNjt3XmonRwC8fjMUWe65y6dGfQ14h8kkVb_6UfUHJTej6qZHc9n34kD_5yKxEpA3amFktuChggyfcrBoyLooLm_G1sThxypcAF3ogSUn5tiKMKUHXoaCASe6QF07lDXIGo4rh9HbPrbVRSmrSwQblH-sRwoGrqIsMi_kgCTP_hahLqhxPr4QIWt98TcKCRoYRUwm1oTIjBug_p3SWDR9hJFN6FHDQ5S9en0nBxON3kAJBee0XHdol7ROn6OvHTrkUrZjGFBvPMzsvCbFgCDyeTFm6bwAFba8RSt11gnnGO0PD8IumirYCAFAZDwYEhV7pLs5S78tEQP8I1PEXcocVEfGSATsv7lOIMrFS-hbfLFVRdbn_nIP69EQgTAq73EjueBW06Mv_2sGsIZyfVNKElD2TjHWKzMBRne8AmGMg1u54hPALPz0We956p4TGmoZbV7EBeEptJJlGIJJtE3ABqY6VZNCvD3atDvXBoLtvdnie8SpLQgKMguqbAX5YisKmrMo3csMKOredQ9k56oOJ834QYn-_ldDDq98Oi4spQRfNnVBOvn5hxIN5XO-aWmMk3LdsQyv0=w1267-h951-no)
And while I'm here. some Serbians.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/72qRlNd_NS9EncIMedjbwWEWGv9t2_14Yf3I9Qg0pS76uMkXFs0Jp7SlpAx3K1Ks4cjDEp8EZOErOJBeoC6VJvO8TsvGdoXbpzTBjFK5vB2-dTmiSgwWV5hZ_UMyX-kgb20G-qPSFY2t4vYkJKXcrzjK_BEPQMN5N17jxBGo5KfqWHNSPUWxJLdRKUqEh-UcfOFK3kqkmm480OpiynQGPQushrXKxDGySZtZc58bDpdK5trCjhrItHaxw9_ZDmLui3AylRGymjzEHym291UAQiSEnBcT1bdcnImxs0KtKnC8kA67iYrhHUv-hsoRDiVSImL58I-KNziBG57h6VNBhnGD8RcJhSPwDdZ0dP27XDb37e0ClhmYfvHCFrUNemFiAPrJNwyc8aD71aveyLC1ZqhLu3-qY20A9-qYVS_O8EKcpZneqE04geBye9uAtN5TG2koRum9S5r726BY8gotGup_ZssfD65Gz2fUFZocRcfHbNKTOujZeHnsuH2y36onz2C1gFOevC1oYuOHV9iRl5As4k4eWEARe-nRS7bLs_TmKihos7Aj8NVwOsCPS9fZAoJat1RhJ7_hn8EC0KgbHjfheDeXuUMNMu3JibVfI7VXvYnHDGyx=w1267-h951-no)
Nice, even if the far Light Horseman looks like he is auditioning for the role of Lead Singer in Motorhead...
Very nice
Missed these Peter.
They are very nice indeed.
Did you add the horse armour barding on the body of the centre figures mounts (to get the surface for the heraldry)?
Quote from: rodge on February 03, 2017, 10:18:32 AM
Missed these Peter.
They are very nice indeed.
Did you add the horse armour barding on the body of the centre figures mounts (to get the surface for the heraldry)?
Yes, I smoothed out some of the detail on the casting and then added green stuff to further smooth and extend the barding.
Finally got to grips with the Black Army, so they are under conversion.
One troop type I'm struggling to find in 15mm are the lighter infantry employed to work in concert with the clipeati and armati:
"Light soldiers perform breakouts depending on the occasion, and when they are already tired or sense severe danger, they return back behind the armoured soldiers, organising their lines and collecting power, and stay there until, on occasion, they may break forth again" Corvinus
A couple are illustrated on page 26 of Somogyi's 'The Army of King Matthias 1458-1526' (which I can't find a link to) but they are both lightly armoured (one in mail hood with a simple helmet, the other in a mail cape and hood with a more elaborate pointed helm and articulated neck protection). Both are armed with swords and shields.
Any kind soul point me at something that may work/convert? I have looked at Essex, Donnington and Vexilia up to now....
The closest match I can find are some Mirliton Elves! - http://www.mirliton.it/product_info.php?pName=high-elf-warrior-with-sword&cName=fantasy-15-mm-high-elves
Or possibly Minifigs 204X from the Hussite range, who doesn't match either of the Somogyi pictures but looks sort of plausible for the period and role.
Thanks, excellent suggestions