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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Duncan Head on November 24, 2016, 09:17:20 AM

Title: New Egyptian "city" and cemetery found at Abydos
Post by: Duncan Head on November 24, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
http://www.egyptindependent.com//news/ancient-residential-city-cemetery-discovered-abydos

Calling it a "city" may be over-generous, but a residential area, anyway:

QuoteThe cemetery and residential city most probably belonged to senior officials who were responsible for building the cemeteries of the royal family in Abydos city.
Title: Re: New Egyptian "city" and cemetery found at Abydos
Post by: Patrick Waterson on November 24, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
The interesting part is the dating: if this is the official figure and not a confusion between 5316 BC and 5316 years ago, it pushes back the occupancy of Abydos by quite a few generations.
Title: Re: New Egyptian "city" and cemetery found at Abydos
Post by: Andreas Johansson on November 25, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Quote from: Patrick Waterson on November 24, 2016, 07:56:34 PM
The interesting part is the dating: if this is the official figure and not a confusion between 5316 BC and 5316 years ago, it pushes back the occupancy of Abydos by quite a few generations.
That they call it "the beginning of an important dynastic period" seems a strong hint at confusion. Either that or their chronology or terminology is seriously nonstandard.
Title: Re: New Egyptian "city" and cemetery found at Abydos
Post by: Duncan Head on November 25, 2016, 08:52:00 AM
The Guardian version - at https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/nov/23/egypt-unearths-lost-city-first-dynasty-sohag-province - calls it "7,000 years old" but the BTL commenters have the same doubts as expressed here:

Quote from: Stefan MochnackiThe newspaper Egypt Independent states: "The head of the Egyptian Antiquities Sector, Mahmoud Afify, announced Wednesday the discovery of a cemetery and a residential city dating back to 5,316 BCE, the beginning of an important dynastic period." I think the reporter made a simple mistake and was unfamiliar with English acronyms such as BCE. The figure 5316 obviously comes from adding 2016 to 3300 BCE, which is squarely in the Pre-Dynastic Era, with an uncertainty of give or take 200 years at least.

Quote from: whataboutnechoA very bad researched article from Reuters! The Luxor Times says 5000+ years old (from now), not 7000. It says nothing about iron tools!

In this case, my money's on the Luxor Times as being the better-informed.
Title: Re: New Egyptian "city" and cemetery found at Abydos
Post by: Patrick Waterson on November 25, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on November 25, 2016, 08:52:00 AM
In this case, my money's on the Luxor Times as being the better-informed.

Certainly better informed than the Guardian, otherwise we would have to conclude that the Egyptian Antiquities department has just added 2,000 years to Egyptian recorded history without telling anyone.  Had they in fact just discovered another 2,000 years of tourist-worthy history, one would expect them to make somewhat more of the disclosure.
Title: Re: New Egyptian "city" and cemetery found at Abydos
Post by: Tim on November 25, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
And think what it would do to the Short-Chronology theory...