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Title: Sociolinguistics in Roman Britain
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 08, 2020, 10:03:28 PM
https://www.academia.edu/37279899/Sociolinguistics_Oxford_Handbook_of_Roman_Britain_?email_work_card=view-paper

of interest to those wanting to explore a bit more of the interaction of Latin and 'Celtic in Roman Britain'
Title: Re: Sociolinguistics in Roman Britain
Post by: Jim Webster on June 09, 2020, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: Holly on June 08, 2020, 10:03:28 PM
https://www.academia.edu/37279899/Sociolinguistics_Oxford_Handbook_of_Roman_Britain_?email_work_card=view-paper

of interest to those wanting to explore a bit more of the interaction of Latin and 'Celtic in Roman Britain'

Downloaded for lunchtime reading  8)
There is not stone left unturned to get the right toys on the table  ;)

Just to add that I found this comment interesting "First, language change may be brought about without the condition of massive population
replacement. Not only that, but when speakers of one language shift to another with little access to education, the
contact-induced change in the target language may tend to involve transfer of phonology, morphology, and syntax
rather than loanwords. In other words, when speakers of British Celtic/Latin shifted to Old English, the impact on Old
English may have been grammatical rather than lexical. This type of change is much harder to recover, especially
for typologically similar languages"

So lack of 'Welsh' loan words in English isn't necessarily evidence of mass migration and ethnic cleansing
Title: Re: Sociolinguistics in Roman Britain
Post by: Anton on June 09, 2020, 01:55:48 PM
That looks interesting thanks Dave.
Title: Re: Sociolinguistics in Roman Britain
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 09, 2020, 10:03:31 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on June 09, 2020, 09:12:36 AM
Quote from: Holly on June 08, 2020, 10:03:28 PM
https://www.academia.edu/37279899/Sociolinguistics_Oxford_Handbook_of_Roman_Britain_?email_work_card=view-paper

of interest to those wanting to explore a bit more of the interaction of Latin and 'Celtic in Roman Britain'

Downloaded for lunchtime reading  8)
There is not stone left unturned to get the right toys on the table  ;)

Just to add that I found this comment interesting "First, language change may be brought about without the condition of massive population
replacement. Not only that, but when speakers of one language shift to another with little access to education, the
contact-induced change in the target language may tend to involve transfer of phonology, morphology, and syntax
rather than loanwords. In other words, when speakers of British Celtic/Latin shifted to Old English, the impact on Old
English may have been grammatical rather than lexical. This type of change is much harder to recover, especially
for typologically similar languages"

So lack of 'Welsh' loan words in English isn't necessarily evidence of mass migration and ethnic cleansing

correct!