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Title: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: Duncan Head on March 10, 2021, 01:09:42 PM
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/historians-find-swords-and-spears-of-long-forgotten-warrior-tribe-in-ancient-cemetery-9580
Title: Re: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: Imperial Dave on March 10, 2021, 01:26:25 PM
oooh, some nice kit on display by the reenactors  :)
Title: Re: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: Erpingham on March 10, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Holly on March 10, 2021, 01:26:25 PM
oooh, some nice kit on display by the reenactors  :)

I find the ubiquity of the PPE leather gloves interesting.  Real illustrations of the period rarely show gloves.

Does this mean 1. Modern people are more worried about hand injuries 2. The risk of hand injuries is caused by re-enacting techniques. ?

Title: Re: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: Imperial Dave on March 10, 2021, 06:44:32 PM
its normally a requirement of the liability insurance but also self preservation. When I was re-enacting there were 2 non negotiable requirements - a helmet and hand protection if you wanted to 'fight' and there was a 'no head shots' rule
Title: Re: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: Erpingham on March 11, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
This discussion has made me consider the issue of "re-enactor" gauntlets.  I was amazed to discover that there are numerous suppliers and they vary from "fantasy" costume pieces to stuff designed to serve as protective gear but look sort of ancient (i.e. made of leather).  Prices for a single right hand "battle" or fighting glove (presumably regulations allow you to do with out on your shield arm) are around £45-£75.   I miss my old army surplus despatch rider gauntlets :)
Title: Re: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: DBS on March 11, 2021, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on March 11, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
This discussion has made me consider the issue of "re-enactor" gauntlets.  I was amazed to discover that there are numerous suppliers and they vary from "fantasy" costume pieces to stuff designed to serve as protective gear but look sort of ancient (i.e. made of leather).  Prices for a single right hand "battle" or fighting glove (presumably regulations allow you to do with out on your shield arm) are around £45-£75.   I miss my old army surplus despatch rider gauntlets :)
That said, there is the interesting question of whether, for example, Egyptian charioteers wore gloves.  The point is that, although depictions of Pharaoh and supporting cast in heroic mode mowing down Asiatics or whoever do not depict them wearing driving gloves (after all, Pharaoh most often is not shown sharing the glory in his chariot with any lesser beings anyway, with reins around his waist), there are depictions of nobility sat at home with suspected status symbols in the picture, including a pair of gloves under the chair in at least one case.  (Maybe they were not driving gloves but he was just a keen rose gardener...)  Not conclusive, but an interesting possibility.

A bit like the British Army used to issue Northern Ireland Patrol Gloves - it was rufty tufty not to wear gloves during training, but when you are actually patrolling on ops in civilian areas, putting manliness over sheer comfort and safety in handling lethal weaponry in the cold and rain was recognised as plain daft.  And of course, once someone got such gloves, they would wear them on any occasion that it was a bit nippy, regardless of whether they were in NI or not.
Title: Re: Weapons finds in mediaeval Yotvingian cemetery
Post by: Imperial Dave on March 11, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on March 11, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
This discussion has made me consider the issue of "re-enactor" gauntlets.  I was amazed to discover that there are numerous suppliers and they vary from "fantasy" costume pieces to stuff designed to serve as protective gear but look sort of ancient (i.e. made of leather).  Prices for a single right hand "battle" or fighting glove (presumably regulations allow you to do with out on your shield arm) are around £45-£75.   I miss my old army surplus despatch rider gauntlets :)

I bought a lovely set of articulate plate ones for the medieval stuff but for early/Dark Age, made do with 'welders gloves'!