Am having a bit of trouble identifying the reference(s) to the alleged Visigothic fleet landing/shipwrecked on British shores late 5th/early 6th Century. It was always in the WRG lists but cant for the life of me remember where the original reference or mention of it occurred. Any pointers gratefully received!
Quote from: Holly on July 09, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
Am having a bit of trouble identifying the reference(s) to the alleged Visigothic fleet landing/shipwrecked on British shores late 5th/early 6th Century. It was always in the WRG lists but cant for the life of me remember where the original reference or mention of it occurred. Any pointers gratefully received!
When you made your unwise comment about having all the figures you needed I was going to suggest Visigoths ;D
But couldn't find the reference :-[
Now I have the source
Go to your copy of John Morris, The Age of Arthur . It's in volume 1. Roman Britain and the Empire of Arthur
Theodoric gets a fair section to himself, apparently a Visigothic admiral who lost his ports when the Franks kicked the Visigoths out of Gaul, and allied to Arthur
He apparently fought the Irish in Wales
Whilst checking this I came across this book
Britain in the Age of Arthur: A Military History Hardcover – 1 Jun. 2017
by Ilkka Syvanne
Anybody read it?
thanks Jim...appreciated.
not come across the other book
I'm aware of it. Problem is I cannot face shelling out for another rubbish book about Arthur. That said Ilkka Syvanne may have produced something wonderful. I'll wait and see.
Quote from: Jim Webster on July 09, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
Now I have the source
Go to your copy of John Morris, The Age of Arthur . It's in volume 1. Roman Britain and the Empire of Arthur
Theodoric gets a fair section to himself, apparently a Visigothic admiral who lost his ports when the Franks kicked the Visigoths out of Gaul, and allied to Arthur
He apparently fought the Irish in Wales
Isn't Morris rather discredited these days?
yes although if you read him with his 'failings' in mind and are prepared to view the narrative in its entirety you can pick up odds and sods that might be useful
Quote from: nikgaukroger on July 10, 2020, 06:20:07 AM
Quote from: Jim Webster on July 09, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
Now I have the source
Go to your copy of John Morris, The Age of Arthur . It's in volume 1. Roman Britain and the Empire of Arthur
Theodoric gets a fair section to himself, apparently a Visigothic admiral who lost his ports when the Franks kicked the Visigoths out of Gaul, and allied to Arthur
He apparently fought the Irish in Wales
Isn't Morris rather discredited these days?
A masterly understatement
I'd say that he's so discredited that he'll probably be fashionable again in another twenty years time ;)
It's a shame really because it overshadows what he achieved in saying "this period doesn't have to be so dark - there are other sources and narratives can exist". Even if in many cases he was wrong, I think he did begin a more complex way of looking at post-Roman Britain.
my point as well Anthony. anyway I just wanted to see the Visigothic reference ;D
Quote from: Erpingham on July 10, 2020, 10:53:37 AM
It's a shame really because it overshadows what he achieved in saying "this period doesn't have to be so dark - there are other sources and narratives can exist". Even if in many cases he was wrong, I think he did begin a more complex way of looking at post-Roman Britain.
Yes I think a lot of valuable work has been done by people who were determined to prove him wrong 8)
Actually, when reading a book for review I sometimes thing, "This will probably be shown to be wrong in places, but it has now become the book which is the definitive place to start disagreeing from"
an 'agent provocateur' if you like
Quote from: Holly on July 10, 2020, 11:26:16 AM
an 'agent provocateur' if you like
with or without the Lingerie ?
an unbidden image has now lodged itself in my consciousness......... :-X