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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Duncan Head on August 29, 2020, 03:28:35 PM

Title: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Duncan Head on August 29, 2020, 03:28:35 PM
QuoteA 5th-century chalice covered in religious iconography has been discovered in Northumberland, to the astonishment of archaeologists, who describe it as Britain's first known example of Christian graffiti on an object.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/29/hadrians-wall-dig-reveals-oldest-christian-graffiti-on-chalice
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Jim Webster on August 29, 2020, 05:06:06 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on August 29, 2020, 03:28:35 PM
QuoteA 5th-century chalice covered in religious iconography has been discovered in Northumberland, to the astonishment of archaeologists, who describe it as Britain's first known example of Christian graffiti on an object.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/29/hadrians-wall-dig-reveals-oldest-christian-graffiti-on-chalice

I'm more surprised by a 'lead' chalice. Do they mean pewter?
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Duncan Head on August 29, 2020, 06:06:01 PM
I've come across mediaeval lead chalices, so maybe the Romans used it too.
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Jim Webster on August 29, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on August 29, 2020, 06:06:01 PM
I've come across mediaeval lead chalices, so maybe the Romans used it too.

I confess they're new to me!
Which to be fair doesn't invalidate their existence  :)
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Erpingham on August 29, 2020, 06:34:08 PM
From the 9th century, chalices were supposed to be made of gold or silver.  Tin was permitted in poor churches and in the Middle Ages, pewter was used, especially for burial chalices.  It may be that a lead chalice was all a church stuck on Hadrians Wall could afford. 

Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Imperial Dave on August 29, 2020, 09:15:27 PM
good for shortening the lives of the congregation!
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Imperial Dave on August 31, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
and here is the authoritative article on the matter.... ;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8678719/Archaeologists-unearth-unique-5th-century-chalice-near-Hadrians-Wall.html
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Erpingham on August 31, 2020, 06:04:09 PM
Here is a picture of the chalice in itss museum setting

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egl7rhyXgAI-eB_?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Mark G on August 31, 2020, 08:28:22 PM
I'm tempted to ask whether the daily mail reports young people as responsible for the breakage.
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Imperial Dave on August 31, 2020, 09:46:34 PM
Quote from: Mark G on August 31, 2020, 08:28:22 PM
I'm tempted to ask whether the daily mail reports young people as responsible for the breakage.

no doubt at some point. that or migrants.....
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Duncan Head on August 31, 2020, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Holly on August 31, 2020, 09:46:34 PMno doubt at some point. that or migrants.....

Bloody Picts, coming down here and breaking our chalices...
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Jim Webster on September 01, 2020, 07:12:25 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on August 31, 2020, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Holly on August 31, 2020, 09:46:34 PMno doubt at some point. that or migrants.....

Bloody Picts, coming down here and breaking our chalices...

Well when you'll looking for something useful to loot and have some hopes of silver, a lead chalice is just so infuriating!
Title: Re: Christian graffiti on Hadrian's Wall chalice
Post by: Imperial Dave on September 01, 2020, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on August 31, 2020, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Holly on August 31, 2020, 09:46:34 PMno doubt at some point. that or migrants.....

Bloody Picts, coming down here and breaking our chalices...

;D genuinely made me laugh.....thanks for the pick me up Duncan