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Title: Bactrian Army
Post by: ahowl11 on June 04, 2017, 08:53:40 PM
At RTR we are having a hard time solidifying our unit roster for Bactria as we can get find a whole lot of good sources for them. We've used Duncan's Book and it's helped but we feel like we are still missing something. This is what we have so far:

Native Slingers -
Native Skirmishers - No armour, javelins
Greek Peltasts- Classic style
Pisidian Javelinmen- Like hillmen in vanilla with a more civiised look since they were also colonists
Greek Archers - Including some Cretans

Phalangites
Kleruchoi - Made up of Greeks and Carians
Agema Phalangites -

Infantry
Thureophoroi -
Thorakitai - Ivory decorate Siphos and Machaira swords
Bactrian Hoplites - Ivory decorate Siphos and Machaira swords
Bactrian Noble Hoplites- Royal Guard, Ivory decorate Siphos and Machaira swords

Cavalry
Hippakontistai - Bactrian and Arachosian light cavalry
Prodromoi -
Xystophoroi - Early guard unit
Bactrian Noble Cavalry - Spears, javelins, some armour, possibly quivers and bows
Bactrian Cataphracts - Late Reform and guard unit
Bactrian Cataphract Horse Archers -

Other
Indian Elephants - Mahouts and towers

If anyone has anything to add or delete let me know :)
Title: Re: Bactrian Army
Post by: Patrick Waterson on June 04, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
Duncan, this looks like something for your accumulated expertise. :)
Title: Re: Bactrian Army
Post by: Jim Webster on June 04, 2017, 09:58:48 PM
I'd wonder whether there was much real difference between classic Greek Peltasts and Pisidian military colonists after a few years?

Also how long would Hoplites remain? If other successor regimes are anything to go by they'd become military settlers and be included in the phalanx

Similarly I'm not sure about cataphract horse archers to be honest.

Jim
Title: Re: Bactrian Army
Post by: Duncan Head on June 04, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
There is, unfortunately, very little information to add to this. Have you got Nikonorov's Montvert book on Bactrian armies? There are a few used copies available very cheap (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1874101108/ref=tmm_pap_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1496609805&sr=8-1). And his paper on Bactrian armour (https://www.academia.edu/1264355/New_Data_on_Ancient_Bactrian_Body-Armour_in_the_Light_of_Finds_from_Kampyr-Tepe_) is online. And here (https://www.idosi.org/wasj/wasj27(9)13/18.pdf) is a paper on elephants in Bactrian armies.

QuoteNative Slingers -
Native Skirmishers - No armour, javelins
Neither of these are impossible, but in the Bactrian region, infantry archers seem more likely.

QuoteGreek Peltasts- Classic style
Probably not. There's no direct evidence that I know of, but I would expect thureophorooi to be replacing peltasts by the time Bactria became independent.

QuoteAgema Phalangites -
Speculation, of course - we don't know if Bactria had any sort of infantry guards units at all. But possible.

QuoteBactrian Cataphract Horse Archers -
Probably not? Bactrian cataphracts may have carried a bow, or may not, but are not likely to have it as a primary weapon.

Probably plenty of Skythian allied and/or mercenary horse-archers. Again, no hard evidence except that Euthydemos threatened to call in the nomads against Antiochos III.
Title: Re: Bactrian Army
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 05, 2017, 06:48:11 AM
thanks for the recommendation Duncan, one ridiculously cheap copy of Nikonorov's Monvert book on the subject duly bought  8)
Title: Re: Bactrian Army
Post by: Yin Shao Loong on June 06, 2017, 03:19:39 AM
Thanks for timely tip on the Nikonorov book, Duncan. I was just hunting for it last month.