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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on August 24, 2017, 10:00:39 PM

Title: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: Imperial Dave on August 24, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-mathematical-mystery-ancient-babylonian-clay.html?utm_content=bufferc811c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

another great little article. I liked it even more for the Indiana Jones reference :)
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: DougM on August 24, 2017, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: Holly on August 24, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-mathematical-mystery-ancient-babylonian-clay.html?utm_content=bufferc811c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

another great little article. I liked it even more for the Indiana Jones reference :)

Proof positive of the torture of school children as long ago as 3,700 years. At lest they were spared conjugating Latin. Although perhaps they were made to practice Hurrian declensions.
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: Andreas Johansson on August 25, 2017, 12:18:00 AM
I don't know about Hurrian, but Babylonian scribes-in-training definitely were made to practice Sumerian ones (and obviously Hurrians and others were made to practice Akkadian ones).
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: davidb on August 25, 2017, 05:55:12 PM
This seems to a continuation of Otto Neugebauer's work.  In 1975, he published a 3 volume set On Babylonian mathematical Astronomy, and he had published books on Astronomical and Mathematical texts.
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: Imperial Dave on August 26, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
it is rather clever stuff. if language is the cornerstone of social development then mathematics is surely the foundation of civilisation
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: Patrick Waterson on August 26, 2017, 10:52:23 AM
Quote from: Holly on August 26, 2017, 08:37:33 AM
it is rather clever stuff. if language is the cornerstone of social development then mathematics is surely the foundation of civilisation

The correlation is good, although causation is less certain.  Specialisation would seem to be the foundation of civilisation, requiring as accompaniments administration and monarchy to hold the whole thing together.  Most of all, civilisation seems to require a habit of obedience, without which a society is indistinguishable from barbarism.  (This I would see as a necessary as opposed to a sufficient prerequisite for civilisation, i.e. the mere fact of obedience is no guarantee of a better quality of life, but does make it easier to build one.)  Note that obedience can be to a law code; it does not have to be to an individual.
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: Imperial Dave on August 26, 2017, 12:42:58 PM
Cooperation I would say initially until a stratification of society leading to obedience
Title: Re: Mathematical mystery of ancient Babylonian clay tablet solved
Post by: Patrick Waterson on August 26, 2017, 07:59:29 PM
Might work, although cooperation tends to be temporary unless people continue to have something to cooperate about.  I am thinking of (or trying to) what distinguishes cooperative members of a civilisation from cooperative hunter-gatherers, nomads or barbarian tribesmen.

If we look at the Mongols under Genghis Khan, they rapidly assimilated mathematics, or at least decimal arithmetic, and obedience.  One empire-building session later, numbers of them also assimilated civilisation while others pretty much stayed in tents until conquered by the Russians.  I see obedience as a prerequisite for civilisation although by itself it will not give you civilisation.  What it does give you is the ability to establish and maintain a system of specialisations which evolves as civilisation.  If you do not make the jump to this system of specialisations you will not have a civilisation.