https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/nov/13/climate-change-may-be-behind-fall-of-ancient-empire-say-researchers
Interesting
There is an argument that the collapse of the Western Roman Empire was assisted by climate change, and certainly the 'dark ages' were colder and wetter which limited fertility and meant that the West (Britain, France and Germany in our terms) couldn't support the large populations they had done
I gather the Roman link was more to do with a climatic change enabling new forms of disease to survive in Italy, particularly mosquito delivered strains .
Quote from: Jim Webster on November 14, 2019, 06:46:54 AM
Interesting
There is an argument that the collapse of the Western Roman Empire was assisted by climate change, and certainly the 'dark ages' were colder and wetter which limited fertility and meant that the West (Britain, France and Germany in our terms) couldn't support the large populations they had done
Definitely. If you look at any movie set in the Dark Ages the weather is either raining or perpetually overcast and the was something wrong with the water - the peasants never washed. ::)
The key word in the article is probably "multi-factoral". We are currently more atuned to the effects of climate change and therefore look out for them. Unsurprisingly, we find the evidence previously missed. The danger is to follow a simplistic cause and effect line, rather than say there were numerous stresses on the system, of which climate change was one, and eventually it failed.
Quote from: Erpingham on November 14, 2019, 08:32:27 AM
The danger is to follow a simplistic cause and effect line, rather than say there were numerous stresses on the system, of which climate change was one, and eventually it failed.
True. And if writing a headline for the general public, emphasis on simplicity and impact to the exclusion of accuracy and balance seems to be the guiding principle.
Relating
climate change to
crop failure to
Assyrian collapse overlooks two key period features: 1) the key role played by the Scythians in bringing down the Assyrian Empire (initially its allies, they defected and joined its enemies) and 2) the flourishing of the Neo-Babylonian Empire and subsequently the Achaemenid Empire in this selfsame 'dry' period.
I am also hard put to think of any Biblical period power being brought low by crop failures. They occurred (and occasionally entered recorded history) but empires seemed to fall for other reasons, top of the list being invasions, whether or not there was a famine.