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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Duncan Head on August 28, 2019, 02:36:35 PM

Title: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Duncan Head on August 28, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/aug/28/huge-hoard-norman-coins-reveals-millennium-old-tax-scam

I'm not quite sure where the "tax dodge" comes in.
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Erpingham on August 28, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on August 28, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/aug/28/huge-hoard-norman-coins-reveals-millennium-old-tax-scam

I'm not quite sure where the "tax dodge" comes in.

The implication seems to be a moneyer paid a fee to the Crown for each die, rather than set of dies.  So, you could produce a new obverse with the new king while continuing with your old die for the reverse, making a saving.  I think that's the implication but it isn't clear.
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Duncan Head on August 28, 2019, 03:00:48 PM
Ah, I see. Thanks.
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Tim on August 28, 2019, 07:35:20 PM
The bit that struck me was the twice as many Harold coins as the total previously discovered in the whole of the UK. I do hope it goes on display at some point.
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Jim Webster on August 29, 2019, 06:25:16 AM
What struck me was the comment "They soon had a bucket containing a staggering number of coins, probably worth millions of pounds. The total hoard value would have been enough to buy a flock of 500 sheep in 1067-68, but its precise value today has yet to be revealed."

You could probably look to buy 500 breeding sheep now for £60,000 at the most. Which if nothing else proves that if you're going for a long term investment, silver is better than sheep  ;)
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Patrick Waterson on August 29, 2019, 06:36:43 AM
Quote from: Jim Webster on August 29, 2019, 06:25:16 AM
You could probably look to buy 500 breeding sheep now for £60,000 at the most. Which if nothing else proves that if you're going for a long term investment, silver is better than sheep  ;)

Although if you add in the respective breeding rates over nearly a thousand years, the sheep end up well ahead. :)
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Jim Webster on August 29, 2019, 07:38:12 AM
Quote from: Patrick Waterson on August 29, 2019, 06:36:43 AM
Quote from: Jim Webster on August 29, 2019, 06:25:16 AM
You could probably look to buy 500 breeding sheep now for £60,000 at the most. Which if nothing else proves that if you're going for a long term investment, silver is better than sheep  ;)

Although if you add in the respective breeding rates over nearly a thousand years, the sheep end up well ahead. :)

;D
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Mark G on August 29, 2019, 10:38:03 AM
A worrying comparison, Jim
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Erpingham on August 29, 2019, 11:28:12 AM
I'm sure there is a biblical precedent for this.  If you bury your talent as opposed to investing it (e.g. in sheep) you rate as a worthless servant.
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Jim Webster on August 29, 2019, 12:43:13 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on August 29, 2019, 11:28:12 AM
I'm sure there is a biblical precedent for this.  If you bury your talent as opposed to investing it (e.g. in sheep) you rate as a worthless servant.

Interestingly the word used is trapezitais in Greek which is apparently 'tables' but means bankers.
The other two who doubled their money obviously didn't go to the bankers, but equally there is a general feeling within the industry that if they'd managed to do this with sheep, the presence of the miraculous within the tale would have detracted from the message  ;)
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: evilgong on August 30, 2019, 04:22:00 AM
Hi there

>>>>>>>>>>>

Which if nothing else proves that if you're going for a long term investment, silver is better than sheep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


It's been a long time since my family was into agriculture, but I suspect burying sheep for future use is not a good strategy.


Regards

David F brown
Title: Re: Anglo-Norman coin hoard found in Somerset
Post by: Patrick Waterson on August 30, 2019, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: evilgong on August 30, 2019, 04:22:00 AM
It's been a long time since my family was into agriculture, but I suspect burying sheep for future use is not a good strategy.

;D