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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on December 16, 2020, 09:13:58 AM

Title: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 16, 2020, 09:13:58 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-55315623

I wonder if its the same for old sweet tins, I've a ton of those in the loft....

Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Duncan Head on December 16, 2020, 09:19:38 AM
It's remarkably unimpressive as artefacts go, but the radiocarbon date is interesting.
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 16, 2020, 09:24:52 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on December 16, 2020, 09:19:38 AM
It's remarkably unimpressive as artefacts go, but the radiocarbon date is interesting.

I must admit I was underwhelmed as well Duncan by the actual find but as you say the radiocarbon dating is the most interesting aspect
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Jon Freitag on December 16, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: Holly on December 16, 2020, 09:13:58 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-55315623

I wonder if its the same for old sweet tins, I've a ton of those in the loft....

Dave, thanks for posting the link to this story. While the pieces of wood are interesting, it does not shed much light upon the original find.  In what context were these original, 5,000 year-old bits of wood found?  Was the item a single piece that has deteriorated since 1872 or is this its original state?  Where was it found within the Queen's Chamber?  Is this a relic or construction debris?  So many questions...
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: DBS on December 18, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: JonFreitag on December 16, 2020, 03:41:07 PM
Dave, thanks for posting the link to this story. While the pieces of wood are interesting, it does not shed much light upon the original find.  In what context were these original, 5,000 year-old bits of wood found?  Was the item a single piece that has deteriorated since 1872 or is this its original state?  Where was it found within the Queen's Chamber?  Is this a relic or construction debris?  So many questions...
The answer is in the BBC report:
Neil Curtis... added: "It will now be for scholars to debate its use..."

Translation - "We know that we will never be able to conclude on any sensible basis why these small pieces of wood were in the pyramid, nor what purpose they may have served, but that will not stop an awful lot of scholars who should know better from competitively speculating endlessly and ever more imaginatively for decades to come, and hopefully even generating more headlines in the media."
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Jon Freitag on December 19, 2020, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: DBS on December 18, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
The answer is in the BBC report:
Neil Curtis... added: "It will now be for scholars to debate its use..."

Translation - "We know that we will never be able to conclude on any sensible basis why these small pieces of wood were in the pyramid, nor what purpose they may have served, but that will not stop an awful lot of scholars who should know better from competitively speculating endlessly and ever more imaginatively for decades to come, and hopefully even generating more headlines in the media."

Good one!
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 19, 2020, 08:24:12 AM
of course the answer could be

its just a 5000 year old stick
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Jim Webster on December 19, 2020, 05:25:58 PM
Quote from: Holly on December 19, 2020, 08:24:12 AM
of course the answer could be

its just a 5000 year old stick

The real find was if they opened an untouched 5000 year old Egyptian tomb and found an Aberdeen cigar box  8)
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 19, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
or a cigar....
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Jim Webster on December 21, 2020, 12:29:54 PM
Quote from: Holly on December 19, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
or a cigar....

now that would cause a stir  8)
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Chuck the Grey on December 22, 2020, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: Holly on December 19, 2020, 11:10:15 PM
or a cigar....

That would be conclusive proof of aliens building the pyramids. Or time travelers. or people from Atlantis, or ?.  ;D
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Jon Freitag on December 22, 2020, 12:32:04 AM
Quote from: Chuck the Grey on December 22, 2020, 12:14:16 AM
That would be conclusive proof of aliens building the pyramids. Or time travelers. or people from Atlantis, or ?.  ;D

...Egyptians making cigars.
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 22, 2020, 08:09:40 AM
Quote from: JonFreitag on December 22, 2020, 12:32:04 AM
Quote from: Chuck the Grey on December 22, 2020, 12:14:16 AM
That would be conclusive proof of aliens building the pyramids. Or time travelers. or people from Atlantis, or ?.  ;D

...Egyptians making cigars.

there is always someone to spoil a good theory!  ;D
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Old Sarum on December 22, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
We know that Egyptian tombs could contain models of soldiers. Perhaps we should be considering the stick in terms of its relationship to the base widths used at the time. After all it came from what amounts to a large Barkermarker!

Why wouldn't pharoahs want to wargame for eternity.
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 22, 2020, 04:46:00 PM
Quote from: Old Sarum on December 22, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
We know that Egyptian tombs could contain models of soldiers. Perhaps we should be considering the stick in terms of its relationship to the base widths used at the time. After all it came from what amounts to a large Barkermarker!

Why wouldn't pharoahs want to wargame for eternity.

a very good thought Trevor.....
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Chuck the Grey on December 23, 2020, 02:54:05 AM
The use of hieroglyphics may add clarity to the rules. OK, me bad. I'll leave now. :-[
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 23, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck the Grey on December 23, 2020, 02:54:05 AM
The use of hieroglyphics may add clarity to the rules. OK, me bad. I'll leave now. :-[

actually not a bad shout......a kind of Rosetta stone for Barkerese  ;D
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Erpingham on December 23, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: Holly on December 23, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck the Grey on December 23, 2020, 02:54:05 AM
The use of hieroglyphics may add clarity to the rules. OK, me bad. I'll leave now. :-[

actually not a bad shout......a kind of Rosetta stone for Barkerese  ;D

Ah, but this fundamentally misunderstands Barkerese.  It's not that we can't decipher it, it's just when we do, the words don't seem to make sense.  It is therefore more like the prophecies of Nostradamus.  Some, indeed, believe that DBA 2.0 predicted the pandemic, if only we'd read it correctly :)
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 23, 2020, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on December 23, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: Holly on December 23, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
Quote from: Chuck the Grey on December 23, 2020, 02:54:05 AM
The use of hieroglyphics may add clarity to the rules. OK, me bad. I'll leave now. :-[

actually not a bad shout......a kind of Rosetta stone for Barkerese  ;D

Ah, but this fundamentally misunderstands Barkerese.  It's not that we can't decipher it, it's just when we do, the words don't seem to make sense.  It is therefore more like the prophecies of Nostradamus.  Some, indeed, believe that DBA 2.0 predicted the pandemic, if only we'd read it correctly :)

I nearly spat my tea out at that....
Title: Re: Great Pyramid: Lost Egyptian artefact found in Aberdeen cigar box
Post by: Jon Freitag on December 23, 2020, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Holly on December 23, 2020, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on December 23, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
Quote from: Holly on December 23, 2020, 08:21:25 AM
actually not a bad shout......a kind of Rosetta stone for Barkerese  ;D

Ah, but this fundamentally misunderstands Barkerese.  It's not that we can't decipher it, it's just when we do, the words don't seem to make sense.  It is therefore more like the prophecies of Nostradamus.  Some, indeed, believe that DBA 2.0 predicted the pandemic, if only we'd read it correctly :)

I nearly spat my tea out at that....

Yeah, I thought Anthony's comment brilliant too and spot on.