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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Duncan Head on June 22, 2018, 08:40:45 AM

Title: Chinese Gibbon's Decline and Fall
Post by: Duncan Head on June 22, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
An ancient Chinese tomb, possibly that of the First Emperor's grandmother, has produced a skull from a previously unknown, extinct, species of gibbon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44541847

Military significance unknown, but if you've always wanted to model a Qin commander with a small ape sitting on his (or her) shoulder, now's your chance.
Title: Re: Chinese Gibbon's Decline and Fall
Post by: Anton on June 22, 2018, 11:09:33 AM
Made my day!
Title: Re: Chinese Gibbon's Decline and Fall
Post by: Andreas Johansson on June 23, 2018, 09:15:03 AM
There's a piece about it at Science.org, which gives a hint as to why they think it persisted until fairly recently: Chinese art from later ages depict gibbons with markings not found in any extant species.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/vanished-ape-found-ancient-chinese-tomb-giving-clues-its-disappearance
Title: Re: Chinese Gibbon's Decline and Fall
Post by: Erpingham on June 23, 2018, 12:43:40 PM
All a bit funky, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Chinese Gibbon's Decline and Fall
Post by: Patrick Waterson on June 23, 2018, 09:03:42 PM
A comment which will make sense to those who watched the UK TV series 'The Goodies' - and probably not much sense to anyone else!

The animal may have been kept as a pet on account of perceived rarity at the time, rare animals being generally valued more highly than common examples.  If it was rare then, it was probably already on the way to extinction.  Its persistence into later Chinese art suggests it was valued both then and later, its disappearance (presumably through extinction) perhaps additionally lending it a legendary quality.