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Title: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Duncan Head on April 03, 2017, 09:20:57 AM
"Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds"

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/03/medieval-villagers-mutilated-the-dead-to-stop-them-rising-study-finds
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Imperial Dave on April 03, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
interesting although I wonder where they got the idea that they would rise from the dead...?

Yorkshire again I notice though.... :)
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Duncan Head on April 03, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
Yes; perhaps the risen dead were looking for their undead chariot-horses?
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Erpingham on April 03, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: Holly on April 03, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
interesting although I wonder where they got the idea that they would rise from the dead...?


Norse ancestry?
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Tim on April 03, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
Is that is anyway related to the Chariot Norses...?
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Imperial Dave on April 03, 2017, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on April 03, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
Quote from: Holly on April 03, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
interesting although I wonder where they got the idea that they would rise from the dead...?


Norse ancestry?

interesting....would fit the area
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Patrick Waterson on April 04, 2017, 08:44:10 AM
The archaeologists think the bodies were dug up and 'treated' soon after burial, which indicates someone had seen, or thought he had seen, the deceased individuals concerned on walkabout.  A classical person would say they saw the shades, an esotericist the etheric doubles, of the individuals concerned - a 20th century individual might (with some hesitation) refer to ghosts.

The mediaeval Yorkshireman would shudder at ancestral tales of draugr and aftergangers, and here the course of action would vary.  A classical person would set up a shrine and make offerings to the shades of the dead, an esotericist would do his best to banish the leftover energy patterns, while a mediaeval community would either go to their priest and if this produced no result take action themselves or would bypass the priest entirely and meet in the dark of night with pick, torch, shovel and axe to put dead in proper place.

One can imagine the faces at the next church service when the priest got round to the topic of the resurrection of the dead.
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Andreas Johansson on April 04, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
An anthropologist might characterize what they were thought or feared to be as vampires. Think less Bram Stoker or Anne Rice and more 18C vampire panics in Central Europe.
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Erpingham on April 04, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Andreas Johansson on April 04, 2017, 11:48:00 AM
An anthropologist might characterize what they were thought or feared to be as vampires. Think less Bram Stoker or Anne Rice and more 18C vampire panics in Central Europe.

Wharram Percy isn't that far from Whitby.  Co-incidence?

My money, however, is on a fear of Draugr.  Corporeal ghosts are mentioned in medieval stories from the North of England, including from Byland Abbey, again not far from Wharram Percy.
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Andreas Johansson on April 04, 2017, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on April 04, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
My money, however, is on a fear of Draugr.  Corporeal ghosts are mentioned in medieval stories from the North of England, including from Byland Abbey, again not far from Wharram Percy.
The anthropological definition of "vampire" is pretty wide and can easily include a draugr.
Title: Re: The Medi-evil Yorkshire Dead
Post by: Imperial Dave on April 04, 2017, 07:10:34 PM
alternatively a local may have gotten slightly* pissed on homebrew and swear he saw a dead person roaming the streets at night.....

(*quite alot)