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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: davidb on May 30, 2017, 02:11:32 PM

Title: It's articles like this that make me want to scream.
Post by: davidb on May 30, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05/the-mongols-built-an-empire-with-one-technological-breakthrough/

Now people will think that the Mongols invented the metal stirrup, invented steppe warfare. 
Title: Re: It's articles like this that make me want to scream.
Post by: John GL on May 30, 2017, 04:33:47 PM
So that's why it's called a "Parthian shot".  Err...
Title: Re: It's articles like this that make me want to scream.
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 30, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
I was amused by the puntastic website name......just me? Oh, I'll get my coat  :-[
Title: Re: It's articles like this that make me want to scream.
Post by: Patrick Waterson on May 30, 2017, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: Holly on May 30, 2017, 08:16:51 PM
I was amused by the puntastic website name......

They do appear to have difficulty distinguishing their ars from their [composite]bow. ;)

As John G-L mentions, the tactic mentioned was popularised by the (stirrup-less) Parthians; the stirrup seems to have been invented by the Avars, both of whom precede the Mongols by a few centuries.
Title: Re: It's articles like this that make me want to scream.
Post by: Duncan Head on May 30, 2017, 09:36:27 PM
Quote from: Patrick Waterson on May 30, 2017, 09:05:04 PMthe stirrup seems to have been invented by the Avars

Brought west by the Avars, anyway. Possibly invented by the Xianbei a few centuries earlier. There are some even earlier Indian and Kushan representations, but they may all be leather loop stirrups or open "platform" stirrups rather than solid loops.
Title: Re: It's articles like this that make me want to scream.
Post by: Dangun on May 31, 2017, 01:17:38 AM
I think they start showing up all over the place in China's archaeological record from the third century.

Isn't the stirrup a paired technology in that you have to go to hard saddles or it doesn't work?
(I seem to remember something along the lines of the horse not liking soft saddle/stirrup combinations.)