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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Mark G on February 09, 2023, 07:27:59 AM

Title: Hittite tree study
Post by: Mark G on February 09, 2023, 07:27:59 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/08/ancient-hittite-empire-tree-study-drought?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Hope that works.

Apparently, studying trees suggests a drought coincided with the destruction of the Hittites. 

Usually it's throwing a succession of 1s that coincides with the destruction of my Hittites, but I think they mean drought of rain, not drought of sixes.
Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: Duncan Head on February 09, 2023, 12:17:45 PM
Yes, I saw this; the original study is open-access at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05693-y

"The Hittite collapse forms part of a wider set of changes occurring across the Old World around 1200 BC. Climate alone was not the sole cause of these changes..." but they seem to think it is a pretty major one, especially for the Hittites. I've heard drought proposed before as a cause of the Bronze Age collapse, IRC, but it's nice to have some solid data.
Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: Andreas Johansson on February 09, 2023, 12:45:54 PM
Drought was Manuel Robbins' favoured explanation in Collapse of the Bronze Age. FWIW, I didn't find his arguments too convincing.
Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: Jon Freitag on February 09, 2023, 02:37:10 PM
Fascinating study.  Comprehensive analytics too.  Thanks for sharing.

The juniper trees thought to make up King Midas' tomb are a gift that keeps on giving.  These same timbers were used to date the volcanic eruption on Theras to 1560 BCE.
Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: Mark G on February 09, 2023, 06:58:30 PM
I still think they are not paying sufficient attention to rolling a succession of 1s
Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: Jon Freitag on February 09, 2023, 11:39:41 PM
Quote from: Mark G on February 09, 2023, 06:58:30 PM
I still think they are not paying sufficient attention to rolling a succession of 1s

Well, you need to find rules in which 1's are good and 6's are bad.
Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: Mark G on February 10, 2023, 03:35:04 PM
Oooh, now there's out of the box thinking.

Title: Re: Hittite tree study
Post by: DBS on February 11, 2023, 01:54:23 PM
Quote from: Mark G on February 09, 2023, 06:58:30 PM
I still think they are not paying sufficient attention to rolling a succession of 1s
Or maybe the Sea Peoples were the ones rolling sixes?