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Title: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 10, 2023, 10:47:38 AM
https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67285857.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17022011537049&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

Don't bother buying books. Just read the article  ;D
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Nick Harbud on December 11, 2023, 05:17:55 PM
Wales before Roman rule, he said, was too often seen as "insular, primitive and wild, a forested place whose people were huddling in animals skins on hilltops".

How long did it take, after the Romans arrived, for the willfully ignorant inhabitants east of the Severn to change their opinion?  ???

Incidentally, that part of north Pembrokeshire is worth a visit if you enjoy stone circles, standing stones, reconstructed iron age villages and sundry other prehistoric bits and pieces.  It is a bit like the area on Salisbury Plain where you find Stonehenge, Silbury Hill, Avebury, etc.  A place of spiritual weirdness.  Of course, the Preselli Hills nearby are where they quarried the bluestones found at Stonehenge, and hauling them such a long distance was not simply down to nobody having invented the garden centre.

 :P
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Erpingham on December 11, 2023, 05:37:29 PM
Given that Wales is a post-Roman concept, might it be that they thought the whole of Britain was "insular, primitive and wild" and people in what is today's Wales were nothing out of the ordinary?
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 05:45:11 PM
Wales is where people escape to from England  ;D
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Erpingham on December 11, 2023, 06:06:16 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 05:45:11 PMWales is where people escape to from England  ;D

So that's what Edward I was up to.
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 06:20:13 PM
and a bit of castle building
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Erpingham on December 11, 2023, 06:30:26 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 06:20:13 PMand a bit of castle building

You know the English and their Welsh holiday homes, Dave.  He was an early adopter.
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 07:20:35 PM
Lol. Council tax would have hurt him  ;D
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Jim Webster on December 11, 2023, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 07:20:35 PMLol. Council tax would have hurt him  ;D

The advantage of the castle is that it probably makes collecting a bit tricky   :)

Anyway when the heavily armed occupant claimed it was their primary residence the legal issues become fraught. After all, if the occupant is a tenant, then they might actually be entitled to housing benefit of some sort. I'd be wary about asking too many questions  ;)
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 11, 2023, 08:39:10 PM
And the heating bills.....
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: DBS on December 12, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on December 11, 2023, 05:37:29 PMGiven that Wales is a post-Roman concept, might it be that they thought the whole of Britain was "insular, primitive and wild" and people in what is today's Wales were nothing out of the ordinary?
And somewhere they regarded as worthy of at least nominal investment and presence, unlike the really hairy lot in the far north who only merited a couple of big walls and occasional bouts of recreational genocide...

Plus, if one accepts the cymru/cives relationship, a bunch of Britons who eventually treasured their imperial identity to some extent.
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 12, 2023, 01:20:00 PM
indeed
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Jim Webster on December 12, 2023, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: DBS on December 12, 2023, 11:18:08 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on December 11, 2023, 05:37:29 PMGiven that Wales is a post-Roman concept, might it be that they thought the whole of Britain was "insular, primitive and wild" and people in what is today's Wales were nothing out of the ordinary?
And somewhere they regarded as worthy of at least nominal investment and presence, unlike the really hairy lot in the far north who only merited a couple of big walls and occasional bouts of recreational genocide...

Plus, if one accepts the cymru/cives relationship, a bunch of Britons who eventually treasured their imperial identity to some extent.

Bunch of sellouts who even tried to steal the name of the true Cymri   :D
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 12, 2023, 02:25:32 PM
Cymru am byth!
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: gavindbm on December 12, 2023, 06:23:37 PM
Reading articles like this makes me want to complete my Ancient British force (which has languishes at partly done for 10+ years) and construct a hill fort for them. 

Analysing my response.  The article makes me want to create a hill fort. But, for some reason, I feel the need to have an army before I can create the hill fort!
Title: Re: Iron age Wales
Post by: Imperial Dave on December 12, 2023, 07:15:45 PM
Well said sir!  ;)