The Mortem et Gloriam army lists are available as a free download from the Mortem et Gloriam website.
The Mortem et Gloriam army lists include a brief historical introduction for each list (630 of them). I have set myself the task of improving them by including a timeline of battles and campaigns and lists of rulers or tribes for each list. I expect this to take me two years. (I am semi-retired and the research is interesting).
To see an example, select list set 24 (Greece and Macedon) or list set 25 (Italy).
Wow. That's a real labour of love so good luck and thanks for attempting this Richard
I have now completed lists of rulers, battles and campaigns for the Chariot and Classical eras (up to around 475 CE). So far I have identified about 1,450 battles and campaigns.
They are available in the MeG army lists which can be downloaded for free.
Now started on the early medieval period.
Awesome work sir
Good work part 2
The link provided by Vexillia is incorrect. Go to 2024 MeG Army Lists (http://1drv.ms/f/s!ArAp9B8LXfHfgd03E4nE95LwbjZP-Q?e=NUUGlb).
Even betterrer...
Quote from: lionheartrjc on February 17, 2024, 06:42:33 AMThe link provided by Vexillia is incorrect. Go to 2024 MeG Army Lists (http://1drv.ms/f/s!ArAp9B8LXfHfgd03E4nE95LwbjZP-Q?e=NUUGlb).
Better late than never. ::)
that is rather cool.
I have now updated the historical notes for the Asian lists (sets 41 to 48).
To date I have identified nearly 4,000 battles and conflicts!
I am in awe....really worthy work
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 30, 2024, 10:37:50 AMI have now updated the historical notes for the Asian lists (sets 41 to 48).
To date I have identified nearly 4,000 battles and conflicts!
One additional suggestion for the Khmer Empire list Richard, if I may (& it is not the wheeled pavice cart so beloved by Nik ;) ).
The Angkor base-reliefs depict a significant and distinctive body of foot archers, all of which have the Khmer military corselet and headgear/helmet, seen on the other 'guard/elite' troops surrounding Khmer King Suryavarman II.
I'm not sure how you'd classify such 'armoured' archers in MeG but they are (to my mind) probably a part of the royal guard or Kings own troops - similar to the other infantry depicted with short spears or Ph'kak, with the corselets and head-gear (helmets) at Angkor. Such archers are absent from the carvings at both Bayon and Banteay Chhmer, so they should probably be excluded from use after c.1181.
You have an interesting project here & a true labor of love - good luck with it.
Mark
Quote from: Aetius-last-of-the-Romans on July 02, 2024, 04:31:13 PMOne additional suggestion for the Khmer Empire list Richard, if I may (& it is not the wheeled pavice cart so beloved by Nik ;) ).
The Angkor base-reliefs depict a significant and distinctive body of foot archers, all of which have the Khmer military corselet and headgear/helmet, seen on the other 'guard/elite' troops surrounding Khmer King Suryavarman II.
I'm not sure how you'd classify such 'armoured' archers in MeG but they are (to my mind) probably a part of the royal guard or Kings own troops - similar to the other infantry depicted with short spears or Ph'kak, with the corselets and head-gear (helmets) at Angkor. Such archers are absent from the carvings at both Bayon and Banteay Chhmer, so they should probably be excluded from use after c.1181.
You have an interesting project here & a true labor of love - good luck with it.
Mark
Would you have a picture of the relief in question?
Quote from: nikgaukroger on July 02, 2024, 04:51:52 PMQuote from: Aetius-last-of-the-Romans on July 02, 2024, 04:31:13 PMOne additional suggestion for the Khmer Empire list Richard, if I may (& it is not the wheeled pavice cart so beloved by Nik ;) ).
The Angkor base-reliefs depict a significant and distinctive body of foot archers, all of which have the Khmer military corselet and headgear/helmet, seen on the other 'guard/elite' troops surrounding Khmer King Suryavarman II.
I'm not sure how you'd classify such 'armoured' archers in MeG but they are (to my mind) probably a part of the royal guard or Kings own troops - similar to the other infantry depicted with short spears or Ph'kak, with the corselets and head-gear (helmets) at Angkor. Such archers are absent from the carvings at both Bayon and Banteay Chhmer, so they should probably be excluded from use after c.1181.
You have an interesting project here & a true labor of love - good luck with it.
Mark
Would you have a picture of the relief in question?
I would (one my many) - it's just that I am a total incompetent as far as uploading things.
All help gratefully received - happy to email directly Nik and you can then publish here if you so desire - is there some way of communicating via a 'back-channel' :o ???
Have messaged you :)
Thanks Nik - images set ... however I've got my images muddled and it's the elephant crew that are mostly armoured archers not the guard infantry archers (apologies).
I have had a scour through my photo archive and whilst there is an armoured archer on foot, he's from the religious/mythological section of the carvings and is clearly a noble/god that has dismounted to fight the demon host (plus the photo is very poor quality - bad lighting & shadow - so not for sharing).
So false alarm there!
But I've sent you a few other images of the guard infantry and would be more than happy for them to be posted up on the forum
Thanks
Mark
Mark's pictures.
The archers he refers to - definitely in fancier clothes than the average on the reliefs:
(https://i.imgur.com/frTVebk.jpg)
Other infantry in corslets and distinctive headwear that Marks describes as guard (which seems reasonable):
(https://i.imgur.com/o4L5bzk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R8SabSk.jpg)
A body of infantry in corslets with the ph'kak:
(https://i.imgur.com/SaJQaV1.jpg)
Quote from: lionheartrjc on January 01, 2024, 12:45:09 PMThe Mortem et Gloriam army lists include a brief historical introduction for each list (630 of them). I have set myself the task of improving them by including a timeline of battles and campaigns and lists of rulers or tribes for each list. I expect this to take me two years. (I am semi-retired and the research is interesting).
I want to be semi-retired!
blow that...I want to be retired!
Never tell anybody you're retired, or they'll assume you have plenty of time and give you jobs to do.
I just started getting paid an age benefit by the government.
sigh...something I aspire to
Quote from: Imperial Dave on July 03, 2024, 10:32:46 AMsigh...something I aspire to
They're not fussy, all you need to do is live long enough ;)
Many thanks for posting the images up Nik.
The proximity of these troops to the king's elephant and their elaborate helmets/head dresses and more decorative tunics (& their corselets - where applicable) is what I'm basing my description of them as 'guard' or 'elite' troops on.
Chou Ta-Kuan (Zhou Daguan) also states that the King had a "bodyguard of elephants, drawn close together and still more soldiers for complete protection, marching in close order." [Ref.page 72 - The Siam Society Bangkok, Third Edition 1993]
The archers in this part of the historical procession are outnumbered c.3:1 by the spear, p'kak and sword armed infantry.
This appears to be a slightly higher ration than in the rest of the reliefs (at The Bayon and Banteay Chhmar) where the archers are a distinct minority (maybe as few as 10:1) with the crossbowmen depicted at the Bayon being an even smaller minority.
I suspect that the 'guard' troops are also depicted on the Bayon and Banteay Chhmar reliefs, where they are most likely to be the infantry spearmen in the long, heavily patterned over tunics. There are a few Khmer troops at the Bayon, in particular, that also appear to be wearing the elaborate helmets, but it's hard to see these clearly, as the carvings are badly eroded in that particular area.