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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on January 05, 2024, 08:49:03 AM

Title: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Imperial Dave on January 05, 2024, 08:49:03 AM
https://arkeonews.net/mysterious-inscription-on-ancient-dacia-sphinx-is-deciphered/

Nothing to do with cars...
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Nick Harbud on January 05, 2024, 04:39:49 PM
and I could have sworn it said "Eat at Luigi's"

;D
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Imperial Dave on January 05, 2024, 05:33:30 PM
It does  ;)
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Ian61 on January 05, 2024, 10:51:30 PM
So Peter Revesz decides to reverse the letters. I wonder if he does it a lot? There is definitely a whiff of nominative determinism there.

Hiding things by doing them backwards clearly predates Led Zeppelin vinyl. ;D
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Denis Grey on January 05, 2024, 11:00:32 PM
Quote from: Ian61 on January 05, 2024, 10:51:30 PMSo Peter Revesz decides to reverse the letters. I wonder if he does it a lot? There is definitely a whiff of nominative determinism there.

Hiding things by doing them backwards clearly predates Led Zeppelin vinyl. ;D

Samuel Pepys beat them to it by at least three centuries.
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Jon Freitag on January 06, 2024, 08:51:59 AM
I wonder if the surviving drawing is actually sketched as a mirror image of the original.
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Swampster on January 06, 2024, 10:08:33 AM
I'm surprised that it is identified as 'Proto-Hungarian'. That doesn't seem to tally with a third century date.
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: DBS on January 06, 2024, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Swampster on January 06, 2024, 10:08:33 AMI'm surprised that it is identified as 'Proto-Hungarian'. That doesn't seem to tally with a third century date.
That was what immediately struck me.  If one reads his academic article at https://www.maajournal.com/index.php/maa/article/view/1209/1035
the explanation is a theory that the Magyars can possibly be identified as being in Ptolemy's Geography somewhere in the Volga region, and possible mention by Ovid of some near the lower Danube.  Also, the bit lost in the summary writeup is the use of the sphinx as a motif by Scythians at Pazyryk. 

Whilst on its own I would be sympathetic to the Ptolemy argument, but fear that the Ovid argument was stretching the linguistics, I do suppose that if his translation stands up, then it perhaps clinches the argument that some (he is suggesting only outliers) of proto-Magyars might have drifted that far west by the third century and have assimilated into the empire.  The fact that he thinks the actual missing sphinx bronze may have Greek Black Sea provenance also makes sense with that direction of travel.

The idea that Greek letters might be used as the alphabet is not odd; he might easily have pointed to the use of the Greek alphabet post-Alexander to inscribe other languages by the Bactrians and Kushans.
Title: Re: Dacia inscription deciphered
Post by: Duncan Head on January 06, 2024, 03:49:32 PM
Quote from: Swampster on January 06, 2024, 10:08:33 AMI'm surprised that it is identified as 'Proto-Hungarian'.

Since the author has a Hungarian surname, and having in mind some of the dafter theories on Hungarian protohistory, I was sadly not surprised.