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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on May 18, 2024, 06:26:15 AM

Title: There be dragons...
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 18, 2024, 06:26:15 AM
https://www.thecollector.com/dragons-medieval-england/

Love a dragon, me
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: stevenneate on May 18, 2024, 06:33:22 AM
So the Border Wars using HOTT is the way to go?
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 18, 2024, 06:36:17 AM
Absolutemonte
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Martin Smith on May 18, 2024, 06:58:46 AM
...that elephant looks genuinely worried by meeting a more scary beast than him/herself !! 🫣
Lovely bit of medieval art...👍🏼
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 18, 2024, 08:33:55 AM
Yes, love the artwork
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Ian61 on May 18, 2024, 11:27:44 AM
Although born and raised in Wales I now live 40km due south of my birthplace in Somerset which also features a dragon on its flag (Often called a wyvern here but the distinction is pedantry*). The flag was chosen only this century by a vote run by the Somerset Gazette. It does however closely resemble the device used by the council for over a century except that the council Wyvern holds a mace which had been used as a proxy by some for many years.  The continuing appeal of dragons is clearly not a niche one as the vote certainly drew interest and three of the top four designs in the poll featured a dragon/wyvern.
Somerset flag.jpg
As the pose more easily fits onto a shield I used this design as the basis of the shield on the front of my knightly orders.

* I am sure I was told many years ago that a dragon had four legs and a wyvern two but this does not seem to work with representations seen – perhaps another of those logical points that doesn't actually stack up  - like the number of equine hooves on the floor of mounted heroes being an indication of whether or not they died in battle.
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: stevenneate on May 19, 2024, 03:08:24 AM
I like the way dragons are described as " creatures of myth", as if the sentence should finish with "or so anyone who still owns one would have you believe".
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 19, 2024, 07:06:01 AM
I recommend watching Ivor the Engine

Nuff sed
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Ian61 on May 19, 2024, 08:39:41 AM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on May 19, 2024, 07:06:01 AMI recommend watching Ivor the Engine

Nuff sed

Classic.  8)
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Erpingham on May 19, 2024, 10:26:30 AM
You know, with all this reintroduction of species hunted to extinction in the Middle Ages going on in the UK, I wonder whether they will consider wyrms?  These seem to all have been hunted down by over-zealous heroes for the crime of lurking in watery places.  You can see why Nessie remains elusive.
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 19, 2024, 01:46:39 PM
Wyrms ARE dragons
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Erpingham on May 19, 2024, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on May 19, 2024, 01:46:39 PMWyrms ARE dragons
But usually ground or water based rather than flying. The flying ones were drakes. I believe the Welsh term is drach?
Title: Re: There be dragons...
Post by: Imperial Dave on May 19, 2024, 07:00:15 PM
I've been reading a book on them recently and the root etymology etc is fascinating

If only I could remember where I put the bleddy thing down