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Title: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jon Freitag on July 08, 2024, 02:20:57 PM
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Back to the Sumerian battlefield once again.  In this encounter, the same armies face off as in the earlier clash (Sumer Time (https://palousewargamingjournal.blogspot.com/2024/06/sumer-time.html)) but this time, with a whole new cast of four players.  In today's fight, fought 02 July, Mark and Chris take command of the Blue Army (blue and black dice) while David and Tony pick up the reins to the Red Army (red and green dice).  Player commands are distributed as shown on the battle map below:
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Let's drop right into the action to see how Tuesday's battle unfolded.

As the battle opens, both armies advance to close the distance to bring themselves within missile range.  With skirmishers screening both battle lines, missile fire is ineffective.  Tony leads his red battle car up on the right plugging the gap between his bowmen while David holds back both green and lugal battle cars.  Dust cloud trailing Tony's car shows that it is in motion.  Both armies anchor their lines upon the rocks on one flank and the oasis on the other.
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To read the complete battle report, please visit, Still Sumer Time! (https://palousewargamingjournal.blogspot.com/2024/07/still-sumer-time.html)
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Imperial Dave on July 08, 2024, 02:30:12 PM
 8)
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jim Webster on July 08, 2024, 08:45:36 PM
Forgive me but I must have missed what rules you're using
Jim
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jon Freitag on July 08, 2024, 10:04:38 PM
Jim, game utilized Basic Impetvs played on a hex grid.
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jim Webster on July 09, 2024, 07:38:19 AM
That's a good idea, I always felt that Basic Impetus was an underused system
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jon Freitag on July 09, 2024, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on July 09, 2024, 07:38:19 AMThat's a good idea, I always felt that Basic Impetus was an underused system
Basic Impetvs (or Impetvs) seems underused to me too.  Why is that? To me, the core mechanisms are easy to grasp and provide a satisfying, dynamic, and interesting contest.   
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jim Webster on July 09, 2024, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: Jon Freitag on July 09, 2024, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on July 09, 2024, 07:38:19 AMThat's a good idea, I always felt that Basic Impetus was an underused system
Basic Impetvs (or Impetvs) seems underused to me too.  Why is that? To me, the core mechanisms are easy to grasp and provide a satisfying, dynamic, and interesting contest.   

I'll agree with that  8)
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: stevenneate on October 29, 2024, 09:19:55 PM
It needs to be seen more in Slingshot, with articles like " How to play Early Bronze Age using Basic Impetus".

Just saying....
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jon Freitag on October 29, 2024, 09:27:00 PM
Hmm...
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: stevenneate on October 30, 2024, 03:10:25 AM
What can I say?! I love the EBA and am interested in how others might game the period.

The Editor is desperately calling for Slingshot material, especially shortish 1-2 page articles.

Put the two together and it's win-win!

Sometimes, Slingshot seems overrun with material covering the same (and obviously the most popular and most documented) gaming & historical periods. The Bronze Age, let alone the EBA just doesn't get much of a look in, so Slinghsot has gaps that need some filling.
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Imperial Dave on October 30, 2024, 05:51:31 AM
Hear hear...I'm all ears
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: stevenneate on October 30, 2024, 10:38:04 AM
I'm in there batting for you Holly. The Editor needs the material  I want to read the material, surely that's all anyone needs to know?
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Jon Freitag on October 30, 2024, 12:34:23 PM
I appreciate the encouragement fellas!

I submitted a Sumerian battle report to Dave a couple of weeks ago.  I will give some thought to an article on playing EBA with BI and hexes.  It may be more of a peek at how I do it my way which may not have broad appeal or acceptance. 
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Imperial Dave on October 30, 2024, 01:30:39 PM
please monsieur....
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Adrian Nayler on October 30, 2024, 02:07:19 PM
Quote from: Jon Freitag on October 30, 2024, 12:34:23 PMIt may be more of a peek at how I do it my way which may not have broad appeal or acceptance.

Jon,

Quite some time ago Slingshot published an article outlining how I approached 'legion vs phalanx' in my own home-grown rules. The result was complete radio silence, with not a hint of any apparent interest or response from the readership. How should I have interpreted that? I think the reality is that the overwhelming majority of the readership do not publicly respond to the material in Slingshot. It was as possible that a goodly number of readers were interested as it was that a majority were disinterested. We can never really know.

The world was of course a little different then with a far less widespread use of digital communication. More recently I have been fortunate that the Society has published my Blood Red Roses rules. They have apparently made very little traction if this forum is to be the judge. Of course our forum attracts only a very small proportion of our total membership, and of those who use it probably only a relative minority are interested in the medieval arena. So perhaps the apparent minimal interest here is not particularly surprising.

What was an overwhelming surprise for me, was the incredible interest shown by a seemingly unending procession of gamers at the Colours show wanting to ask questions about so many aspects of the rules. Where did that come from? You never can tell.

So, please do write about the Early Bronze Age for I, like Steven, would be happy to read about it. I suspect there are a goodly number of members who would also appreciate it, though we may never discover who they are.

Adrian.
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Imperial Dave on October 30, 2024, 02:23:01 PM
I think there are quite a few people on here who are casual observers. Also , additionally, responding to Slingshot is a manual process...unless you do it on here

 :)
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Erpingham on October 30, 2024, 02:28:35 PM
I would echo Adrian's thoughts on the link between lack of response and lack of interest. We have no evidence to assume that lack of comment means nobody is paying an interest - it may be any interest is passive. As a matter of policy, I try to generate a topic for folks to discuss aspects of the latest Slingshot but even active members of the forum don't discuss the contents much.
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Ian61 on October 30, 2024, 03:31:38 PM
Quote from: Adrian Nayler on October 30, 2024, 02:07:19 PMThe result was complete radio silence, with not a hint of any apparent interest or response from the readership. How should I have interpreted that? I think the reality is that the overwhelming majority of the readership do not publicly respond to the material in Slingshot. It was as possible that a goodly number of readers were interested as it was that a majority were disinterested. We can never really know.


For what it's worth I read a lot of the articles, I would love to have a collection of Armies spanning the millennia, but I don't, so I rarely put my oar in as I often haven't got one in that particular field or studied that period. This does not mean that I don't enjoy reading about them,
As a rules tinkerer I find Adrian's articles good value even though I am not currently entering the WoRs ring although I do have a few Macedonians and will have more soon by the look of things ( another article I have flagged to refer to.) :)
Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: stevenneate on October 31, 2024, 04:55:16 AM
Amen to everything said above. Much is passive reading as it always has been.

I look at Blood Red Roses (having sold off all my WOTR figures) and wonder how I might plunder it for ideas for other conflicts. It just hasn't hit the top of my list yet, but I enjoy reading about people's games and what they discovered. Anecdotally, it seems to be selling well. Just what if my Scottish schiltrons took the opportunity to roll over the border? (I may even rebuild the WOTR stuff from the very nice looking Peter Pig ranges. I just love building armies! Now I'm talking myself into it....)

A lot of my gaming inspiration comes from Slingshot - always has. I read nothing on Facebook (not even my own club's site) and only read blogs if they are thrown in front of me (like Jon's was). Guess Slingshot fills a niche for me that uniquely nothing else has. Back in the day when I was Editor, the passion was electric. One committee member once told me I could drum up an article from an empty barrel.

I have received private emails from members regarding stuff I have written and it has always been positive and some have developed into further ideas. I'm pleased as punch but grateful they took the time.

A healthy and diverse Slingshot is a lucky SOA. So, write away because I read Slingshot from cover to cover and I hope most do.

I, sadly and pathetically, have too many interests and thus too many armies and figures. Welcome to today's meeting of Figure Gamers Anonomous!

Title: Re: Still Sumer Time!
Post by: Imperial Dave on October 31, 2024, 06:06:44 AM
Amen brother...! :)