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Title: Shields in the Notitia Dignitatum
Post by: Osmoses on June 14, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but it's not really a period I know much about. I've been painting some Late Romans, and the shields depicted in the Notitia Dignitatum are all circular, but the actual infantry shields are oval. Some of the designs don't translate well from circular to oval (e.g. concentric circles). Is there a reason for this?
Title: Re: Shields in the Notitia Dignitatum
Post by: Duncan Head on June 14, 2017, 01:47:41 PM
The usual suggestion is that circular shields are simply easier for the artist (at least for the copyists, if not the original artist) to draw. The artists of some copies appear to have used compasses - see http://lukeuedasarson.com/NDshields.html if you haven't.

Many of the 3rd-century Dura shields are ovals (quite broad ovals) and some have concentric rings as part of the design - see here (http://romanrecruit.weebly.com/uploads/3/4/3/3/3433372/1633839.jpg?310) for instance - without apparent difficulty.

The Munich Egyptian shields (date uncertain) have been reconstructed as round (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/66/25/41/662541a4d1bc5898d6885b606410e000.jpg) but I've seen it suggested here (https://www.amazon.de/Die-Armee-Caesaren-Arch%C3%A4ologie-Geschichte/dp/3791724134/) that the fragments remaining are really not enough to be sure if they were round or oval.
Title: Re: Shields in the Notitia Dignitatum
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 14, 2017, 05:25:18 PM
Quote from: Osmoses on June 14, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but it's not really a period I know much about. I've been painting some Late Romans, and the shields depicted in the Notitia Dignitatum are all circular, but the actual infantry shields are oval. Some of the designs don't translate well from circular to oval (e.g. concentric circles). Is there a reason for this?

a good question and one I have pondered myself especially when doing the self same thing of painting LR units. I tend to go with conventional wisdom and interpretation when seeing which of the shields are infantry and which cavalry. re painting, its easier in 6mm than 15mm believe it or not! Also the distinction between 'regular' and 'auxiliary' is a little more difficult for the like of me to untangle at that point in history :) 
Title: Re: Shields in the Notitia Dignitatum
Post by: Osmoses on June 15, 2017, 10:46:13 AM
Ah yes, I see how the concentric circles would work now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Shields in the Notitia Dignitatum
Post by: willb on June 17, 2017, 01:16:29 PM
For those who may be interested there is a full color scan of the Bavarian copy at
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00005863/images/index.html?id=00005863&fip=86.132.15.248&no=5&seite=1 (http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00005863/images/index.html?id=00005863&fip=86.132.15.248&no=5&seite=1)
Title: Re: Shields in the Notitia Dignitatum
Post by: valentinianvictor on August 04, 2017, 05:52:52 PM
The pen & ink drawings of the now mostly destroyed Column of Arcadius show Roman infantry with both round and oval shields. There is a thought that those with round shields are guard infantry.