http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-41664879
obviously not the real excalibur (the real one is tucked away in my loft) and obviously a criminal act.....but wouldnt you love to see if they took photos of when they we removing it!
Have the Police put out a bolo for Arthur Pendragon and his gang?
Quote from: Holly on October 18, 2017, 02:59:25 PM
obviously not the real excalibur (the real one is tucked away in my loft)
Really? I'm sure I saw it in a vault at Gringott's.... ???
I didn't steal it. It's mine by right. Kay.
I'd put divers in the lake ( just in case).
there is a local legend for that particular lake that speaks of a lady thats at least 600 years old (the legend not the lady)
Liz, Charles etc, from the House of Windsor-Battenburg must be worried; the person who pulled the sword from the stone might turn up to parliament and demand to made king of the land.
Cutting edge humor, gentlemen ;) . . . helped to make my knight :P
Chris
Quote from: evilgong on October 18, 2017, 11:19:57 PM
Liz, Charles etc, from the House of Windsor-Battenburg must be worried; the person who pulled the sword from the stone might turn up to parliament and demand to made king of the land.
Or they might be tremendously relieved and simply retire to their estates which by virtue of their no longer being the Royal Family will largely escape government control (at present their income goes to the Treasury while the Crown gets a pittance known as the Civil List). Then again, if
rex quondam is about to become
rex futurus, we can expect a significant difference in the handling of the UK's relationship with the powers that be on the continent of Europe.
Quote from: evilgong on October 18, 2017, 11:19:57 PM
Liz, Charles etc, from the House of Windsor-Battenburg must be worried; the person who pulled the sword from the stone might turn up to parliament and demand to made king of the land.
Actually, I think the first step would be to get a good lawyer to present your title. Becoming king is complicated. The key issue is seen in this exchange :
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well, I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Admittedly, the sword was obtained by a different route but .....
Quote from: Erpingham on October 19, 2017, 08:40:31 AM
Admittedly, the sword was obtained by a different route but .....
... what is truth to a lawyer?
The route to take would presumably be to rely on precedent, in that gladial expetrination was a criterion for kingship, and kingship for rulership whether voted for or no, long before some quondam usurper advanced the self-interested proposition that participatory choice constituted the guiding element of selection for supreme power. In any event, it would be possible to prove that choice of a monarch by Act of Parliament dates only from AD 1688 in an Act the legality of which has been challenged in AD 1671-2, 1697, 1715 and 1745, whereas gladial expetrination (removal of a sword from stone) was an acceptable method of adducing rightful kingship as early as c.AD 470 and therefore constitutes a
legal precedent.
The world was so much simpler when swords simply presented themselves out of hats when they were most needed, and at other times kept a discreet absence. :(
although not specifically Arthurian, the original legend for the area is this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_of_Myddfai
I read somewhere that Elizabethan England claimed ownership of the Atlantic islands on the basis that King Arthur owned them.
The modern sword remover could claim the Orkneys, Shetlands (etc) and Iceland too.
I guess he's hiding out readying his army to march on London.
Patrick, you obviously know far too much of lawyers and their ways...
Alas so. Enough to know that the opposing lawyer would point out that the very same precedent requires the sword-drawer to replace and redraw the sword in front of a large audience consisting of the great and the good of the realm and that nobody else be able to do so.
Of course that would be subject to countless appeals from those not considered to be part of said august body but who either A) feel that they should be, or B) by third parties on behalf of mass-murderers who might be excluded and therefore are subject to discrimination...
A specific list of relevant titles could doubtless be compiled for the required audience, based on the original account. Naturally, it would help to have testimony from an expert witness if the appropriate wizard could be found. Proceedings might however have to be held up indefinitely while Merlin was subpoenaed.
Quote from: Patrick Waterson on October 20, 2017, 08:12:15 AM
Alas so. Enough to know that the opposing lawyer would point out that the very same precedent requires the sword-drawer to replace and redraw the sword in front of a large audience consisting of the great and the good of the realm and that nobody else be able to do so.
How about a sting operation to get the sword back? We put it out on social media that we have arranged just such a gathering at the stone. When the crims turn up with the sword to claim the crown, it is revealed that the crowd are all plain-clothes police officers and they nab them.
the very naughty amongst us might bring a large industrial sized tube of araldite ;)
Quote from: Erpingham on October 20, 2017, 09:07:49 AM
How about a sting operation to get the sword back? We put it out on social media that we have arranged just such a gathering at the stone. When the crims turn up with the sword to claim the crown, it is revealed that the crowd are all plain-clothes police officers and they nab them.
Could work splendidly if the crown is actually their aim. Might not work so well if they are simply drinking away their fee from an anonymous collector. Then again, who knows what ambitions the collector might have?
I think a quick visit to Franz, Duke of Bavaria could pay off.