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Title: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on September 03, 2018, 07:26:09 PM
Looking for recommendations for books/articles on the Mongol Il-khanate in Persia. About all I have is the Amitai-Preiss book on the Mamluk-Mongol war.

Need not be wholly, or even mainly, about the military - but some military info would be nice  8)
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Duncan Head on September 04, 2018, 08:49:53 AM
Morgan's Medieval Persia (https://amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Persia-1040-1797-History-Near/dp/0582493242/) is good for a very broad overview.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on September 04, 2018, 09:09:09 AM
Probably useful  :)

I do note that there is a 2nd edition - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Persia-1040-1797-David-Morgan/dp/1138885665/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Andreas Johansson on September 04, 2018, 09:48:25 AM
I've got the second edition, and agree it's a good overview. The Further Reading section on the Ilkhanate period might be of particular interest for you.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on September 04, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
Bought it  8)
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Tim on September 04, 2018, 10:02:34 PM
Nik wasting his money on a topic no-one has any interest in AGAIN, I see...
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Duncan Head on January 21, 2019, 10:16:52 AM
Slight thread resurrection here: is Patrick Wing's The Jalayirids: Dynastic State Formation in the Mongol Middle East (https://amazon.co.uk/dp/1474426379/) of any interest?

I added it to my to-read list a little while ago, so if anyone has read it I'd be interested in opinions.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on January 21, 2019, 01:04:40 PM
Certainly is of interest - many thanks  :)
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Andreas Johansson on January 22, 2019, 05:36:50 AM
What did you, BTW, think of the Morgan book?
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on January 22, 2019, 07:34:26 AM
Useful overview as people suggested.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on February 01, 2019, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on January 21, 2019, 10:16:52 AM
Slight thread resurrection here: is Patrick Wing's The Jalayirids: Dynastic State Formation in the Mongol Middle East (https://amazon.co.uk/dp/1474426379/) of any interest?

I added it to my to-read list a little while ago, so if anyone has read it I'd be interested in opinions.

Got it and am just reading it. Certainly of interest as I know very little about the area in that period, but not a lot that is directly military (so far).

Got me more interested in the Jalayirids - anyone any suggestions on more about them? Be interested to know what info the DBM (and other) army lists were based on for sure.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Duncan Head on February 01, 2019, 01:24:41 PM
The list is mostly taken from Nicolle's Osprey Age of Tamerlane and general histories like Morgan, IIRC.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Andreas Johansson on February 01, 2019, 02:17:30 PM
Has anyone ever seen a Jalayirid army on a wargames table?

IIRC, Morgan had very little to say about them?
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on February 01, 2019, 05:52:21 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on February 01, 2019, 01:24:41 PM
The list is mostly taken from Nicolle's Osprey Age of Tamerlane and general histories like Morgan, IIRC.

So probably based on very thin material then.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: nikgaukroger on February 01, 2019, 08:44:28 PM
Must say I am currently rather dubious about the idea in the DBM(M) lists that they relied on ghilman/mamalik due to unreliability of their Mongols.
Title: Re: Il-khanate
Post by: Howard Fielding on September 26, 2022, 06:22:39 PM
Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone has any new sources of information on the I-Khanate?  8)