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Title: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Duncan Head on January 13, 2019, 09:18:33 PM
I missed this one when it appeared in October:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/oct/04/imaging-tool-unravels-secrets-of-childs-sock-from-ancient-egypt

Original study at https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0204699

I think we all knew that the Romans wore socks with their sandals, but (a) I had vaguely assumed this was a cold-weather thing, so I'm a little surprised to see one in Egypt, and (b) the stripes! Are they sure this is from 300 AD and not 1975?
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Patrick Waterson on January 14, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Stripes have been around in Near Eastern clothing since way back. This picture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khnumhotep_II#/media/File:Ibscha.jpg) from a tomb-painting in the tomb of Khnumhotep, nomarch of Nekhab (el Kab) shows how popular they were with certain people.

No socks, though, although the women's shoes look vaguely similar in shape if not colour configuration to the Antinoupolis sock.  Continuity or coincidence?  I would assume the latter, although one never knows.
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Erpingham on January 14, 2019, 09:30:35 AM
Every parent has been there :

"Have you been playing in the rubbish heap again?  And where's your other sock?"
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Patrick Waterson on January 14, 2019, 08:02:54 PM
"I left it for the future, mummy."

"Don't be silly, Neferpet.  Everyone knows archaeologists are just a myth."
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Swampster on January 14, 2019, 09:41:28 PM
Doesn't matter whether socks are suitable for the local climate. Every clothing receptacle will spontaneously generate at least one odd sock ex nihilo. The Egyptians would have looked at them, not known what they were, and threw them away. Look at how new that sock looks*. Modern people keep them in the vain hope that another will just turn up. Medieval Italians would wait until another odd sock turned up and wear both of them. That then influenced the wearing of hose of two different colours.
A government sponsored scientific team suggested that these spontaneously arising socks should be gathered and used as fuel in power stations but the report was suppressed by Big Business.

That's what I think anyway.

(*More seriously, just shows that the 'Ancient people couldn't make bright dyes' comments often trotted out on e.g. TMP are not entirely true.)
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Imperial Dave on January 14, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
my daughter wears odd socks regardless of whether she has the matching ones or not!
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Erpingham on January 15, 2019, 08:44:30 AM
Quote from: Holly on January 14, 2019, 10:36:54 PM
my daughter wears odd socks regardless of whether she has the matching ones or not!

Tell me about it.  One of those comforting family rituals with my adult daughters is to complain about their odd socks when we meet. 
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Erpingham on January 15, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
Quote(*More seriously, just shows that the 'Ancient people couldn't make bright dyes' comments often trotted out on e.g. TMP are not entirely true.)

Though we should note that the 70s pop sock illustration is a false colour image and the sock is duller in reality.  The report identifies some pretty complex dyeing activity to get the range of colours though, with most colours double-dyed with varying intensities of the first and second colours.
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Justin Swanton on January 15, 2019, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: Swampster on January 14, 2019, 09:41:28 PM
Doesn't matter whether socks are suitable for the local climate. Every clothing receptacle will spontaneously generate at least one odd sock ex nihilo. The Egyptians would have looked at them, not known what they were, and threw them away. Look at how new that sock looks*. Modern people keep them in the vain hope that another will just turn up. Medieval Italians would wait until another odd sock turned up and wear both of them. That then influenced the wearing of hose of two different colours.
A government sponsored scientific team suggested that these spontaneously arising socks should be gathered and used as fuel in power stations but the report was suppressed by Big Business.

That's what I think anyway.

(*More seriously, just shows that the 'Ancient people couldn't make bright dyes' comments often trotted out on e.g. TMP are not entirely true.)

;D
Title: Re: Romano-Egyptian striped sock
Post by: Swampster on January 15, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on January 15, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
Quote(*More seriously, just shows that the 'Ancient people couldn't make bright dyes' comments often trotted out on e.g. TMP are not entirely true.)

Though we should note that the 70s pop sock illustration is a false colour image and the sock is duller in reality.  The report identifies some pretty complex dyeing activity to get the range of colours though, with most colours double-dyed with varying intensities of the first and second colours.

Fair enough, though even the true colour is pretty good
https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=155676&partId=1