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Linguists from Leiden decipher Phrygian and Lydian inscriptions

Started by Mark, September 24, 2012, 11:54:44 AM

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Mark

http://www.news.leiden.edu/news-2012/linguists-from-leiden-decipher-phrygian-and-lydian-inscriptions.html

Linguists Alwin Kloekhorst and Alexander Lubotsky from Leiden University made a great discovery this summer. They deciphered a few dozen inscriptions on pot shards found in Daskyleion (North-West Turkey) as Phrygian and Lydian, and thus proved the presence of the Phrygians and Lydians in that area.

Sensational

Kloekhorst and Lubotsky's find can be termed sensational. Previous excavations had already led to the supposition that Greeks and Phrygians lived in and around Daskyleion between the 6th and 3rd century BC, but now there is also proof of the presence of the Lydians. The kingdom of the Phrygians in the mid-west of the Anatolian Plateau had a rich mythology in which kings such as Gordias (of the Gordian Knot) figured. The Lydians are known as a rich people that in all probability invented coins. This means it has been proven for the first time that Daskyleion was a multi-ethnic town in that period. This is important, because we do not yet know for sure which languages were spoken in North-West Turkey before the Greeks began to settle there in about 800 BC.

Grin and bear it

When the Turkish archaeologists Kaan Iren (Mugla University) and Handan Yildizhan (Nevsehir University) found pot shards with inscriptions that they could not decipher their search soon led them to Leiden. Kloekhorst, who received a VENI grant in 2008 for his research into Hittite (a language related to Lydian), is known to be expert in the field of Anatolian languages (a sub-group of the Indo-European language family). For his part, Lubotsky is an authority in the field of the Phrygian language. At the request of the Turkish archaeologists they spent a week in Daskyleion in July deciphering the inscriptions. Kloekhorst says, 'It was 35 degrees and there was no air-conditioning. It was certainly a case of grin and bear it.'

To Zeus

The best discovery, says Kloekhorst, is a small shard with 'To Zeus' scraped on it. 'Most of the shards are very small,' he explains. 'The words are often broken into pieces, and you do find a whole word it is usually a name. The advantage is that Phrygian and Lydian each had their own alphabets. That is often our only guide: it's how we know that it can't be a Greek text.' The discovery amounts to some thirty inscriptions. That may not seem much but for two extinct languages it is huge. Kloekhorst says, 'In total we only have 150 Lydian fragments. That means that any new piece of text is welcome. They are the small pieces of evidence that we work with.'

New shards

At the request of the Turkish archaeologists Kloekhorst and Lubotsky are producing a book on the joint discoveries. An article will also be published in which they will reveal the discoveries. But it probably does not end there. 'Whilst we were in Turkey,' says Kloekhorst, 'every now and then a new shard with an inscription would be found. I can easily see us having to return next year.'

Patrick Waterson

Lydian is indeed related to 'Hittite': the language called 'Hittite' (Neshili in the Boghazkoi archives) actually appears to be Lydian, or as one scholar put it, Lydian "seems to be Hittite" (JG McQueen, The Hittites, London 1975 p.59).

The 'Hittites' themselves had their own language, Hattili (termed 'Hattish' by scholars).

With any luck and the discovery of some more Phrygian materials, 'Arzawan' should be identified as Phrygian.

Patrick
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill

Duncan Head

I can't quite figure out from the original story what date these inscriptions are meant to be. The story talks of Greek and Phrygian being known "between the 6th and 3rd century BC" but then hopes to find out what was spoken before 800.

The region was part of the Lydian empire in the 7th-6th centuries, so a few Lydian inscriptions surely wouldn't throw any light on the indigenous languages unless the inscriptions date from before 690 or so. But do they?
Duncan Head

Patrick Waterson

This is of course the big question.  I think the excitement is largely because these minimal inscriptions nevertheless expand the database of Lydian and Phrygian script by a noticeable margin, and it is hoped that somethng will come of it.

Perhaps the real story is that the site seems to promise ongoing finds.

What we really need to find are archives - so far, every archive discovered (Amarna, Ashurbanipal's library, Mari, Pylos, Boghazkoi) has been discovered by accident or as the by-product of an existing dig.  It would be good if excavators could target cities known to be capitals and try to work out where the palace and archives would be, based on what is already known about the culture (applying this exercise to Egyptian Thebes suggests an archive of diplomatic correspondence and tribute records would be found under the current site of the Luxor tourist office).

Patrick
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill