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What's the name of the lance holder? (On the saddle -- not the squire)

Started by Stephen Wendell, July 04, 2015, 12:43:35 PM

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Stephen Wendell

I'm looking for the term used for the holder of the lance that fixes it on the saddle when it isn't in use.

Here's a picture from the web of a figurine that shows what I mean:
http://www.abload.de/img/king-horseh975j.jpg
(From this forum site: http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?s=59a659ea0fbc8e82ec5063a771ecd48a&showtopic=136006&st=20&p=2040708&#entry2040708)

Does anyone know what this is called?
And is that a normal way a knight would carry a lance?

Thanks for your help!
Stephen

Erpingham

The medieval lance wasn't AFAIK carried attached to the saddle.  On the march, it was carried shouldered at the slope, either by the man-at-arms if action was expected or by the page or squire.  In preparation for action, it was carried in hand, rested on the thigh.  Up to the 14th century, it was then shifted when it came to fighting to a couched position  without mechanical help.  The longer and heavier lances from this point on used a lance rest on the breastplate called an arret to help distribute the load, acting as a pivot to help keep the point up.

However, I'm pretty sure that other nations used either a carrying strap to sling it on the shoulder or in a lance bucket or boot attached to the saddle (I think these are mentioned in Byzantine manuals).  I leave it to the more expert to confirm or amplify.

Stephen Wendell

Quote from: Erpingham on July 04, 2015, 01:50:29 PM
However, I'm pretty sure that other nations used either a carrying strap to sling it on the shoulder or in a lance bucket or boot attached to the saddle (I think these are mentioned in Byzantine manuals).  I leave it to the more expert to confirm or amplify.

Thanks, Erpingham.
A lance bucket or lance boot are terms that describe well what I'm thinking of.
Anyone else?

Erpingham

Although the 19th-20th lance bucket seems to have attached to the stirrup, Polish hussars in the 16th-17th  century did use a lance bucket attached to the saddle called a tuleja according to modern reconstructions on the internet

e.g. http://www.geocities.ws/rik_fox/husaria/hussar81.jpg  The bucket is held by a long strap looped over the front of the saddle.  This method may have older origins in the East.

Stephen Wendell

I chose the term lance boot for the story I'm writing.
But the next time I play a cavalier, he will certainly be equipped with a lance bucket.

Thanks again, Erpingham!