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Ptolemaic Army

Started by Patrick Waterson, July 15, 2012, 08:51:39 PM

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Patrick Waterson

Thanks, Duncan.

It looks as if the Egyptians of c.480 BC were noted for their swords, although in battle, or at least sea-battle, longer weapons seem to have been required.  This apparently universal sword-bearing habit could perhaps have carried over, together with the style of weapon, into Ptolemaic times; if so, one wonders whether the Egyptians enlisted in Ptolemy IV's army at Raphia would have worn them.
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Duncan Head

It's not clear, of course, what type of sword Herodotos means - "machaira" can mean almost anything. The Egyptian throne-bearers at Persepolis have long straight swords, which are quite different from the curved swords on the Kom Madi painting (which look more like a Balkan sica than a Greek kopis, for instance). And to quote F-B, "those (machairophoroi) represented on a second-century mural from the Fayyum have been taken to be non-Egyptians. But it is the details of their clothing or hairstyle in the painting that give this impression..."  ("taken by" Bresciani in Kom Madi 1977 e 1978. Le pitture murali del cenotafio di Alessandro Magno, I think) and the papyri suggest that the Ptolemaic machairophoroi could be of various origins; so all in all the evidence for continuity is tenuous.
Duncan Head

Patrick Waterson

Not least, one imagines, because of the traditional Egyptian predilection for the khepesh, which long survived contact with straight-sword mercenary types, judging by Egyptian reliefs.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill