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Romano-British rabbit found

Started by Duncan Head, April 18, 2019, 08:43:16 AM

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Duncan Head

It is widely said that the rabbit was introduced to Britain only by the Normans, but apparently the first Roman-era rabbit-bone has been found at Fishbourne:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47963324

and https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/18/ben-fur-romans-brought-rabbits-to-britain-experts-discover
Duncan Head

Patrick Waterson

The conclusion that it was a captive animal could well explain why the Normans did not find its descendants ready to hunt and so brought their own.

Nice find, though, Duncan.
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill

Swampster

I've certainly seen before the theory that the Romans introduced them, though I guess that this is more concrete proof. It is certainly possible that there were even some feral rabbits in Roman times but that they did not become widely established or even lasted long enough to produce thriving colonies leaving visible signs.

The Norman introduction (or re-introduction) did not rapidly create a wild population. This paper http://www.bahs.org.uk/AGHR/ARTICLES/36n1a1.pdf states that it was not until the 18th century that a widespread wild population existed.

I suppose it may be significant that cony and rabbit are both words from the continent, the Anglo-Saxons not needing to leave us a word for them.

Tim

Are we sure that this Rabbit is ethnically Romano-British...?

Martin Smith

Not an April the 21st joke? Very topical....😊
Martin
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Erpingham

Quote from: Swampster on April 18, 2019, 03:14:54 PM


I suppose it may be significant that cony and rabbit are both words from the continent, the Anglo-Saxons not needing to leave us a word for them.

Although this letter claims Welsh had a word for rabbit. It is possible that the word does come from post-classical Latin. However, I think the writer may have missed the connection with the word coney from Anglo-Norman and we'd need to see some use of the word prior to the Norman conquest.

Patrick Waterson

If the Welsh were familiar with the rabbit and the Anglo-Saxons were not, it does imply a Roman connection - unless of course the Welsh word was simply adapted from the Normans.

I wonder whether the humble rabbit was represented in texts relating to Roman times perserved in Welsh monasteries, and retained its designation and presence in Welsh through that route.  Conjectures, conjectures ...
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill

Swampster

Quote from: Erpingham on April 19, 2019, 09:33:34 AM
Quote from: Swampster on April 18, 2019, 03:14:54 PM


I suppose it may be significant that cony and rabbit are both words from the continent, the Anglo-Saxons not needing to leave us a word for them.

Although this letter claims Welsh had a word for rabbit. It is possible that the word does come from post-classical Latin. However, I think the writer may have missed the connection with the word coney from Anglo-Norman and we'd need to see some use of the word prior to the Norman conquest.
This paper https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00437956.1977.11435857 does indeed think it is a loan word from ME. https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.81090/2015.81090.The-English-Element-In-Welsh_djvu.txt gives some examples of usage.