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Title: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Duncan Head on February 13, 2024, 12:12:22 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/12/stone-age-wall-found-at-bottom-of-baltic-sea-may-be-europes-oldest-megastructure
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Imperial Dave on February 13, 2024, 06:38:58 AM
defence?
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Duncan Head on February 13, 2024, 11:23:18 AM
No, de wall.
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: DBS on February 13, 2024, 01:03:54 PM
I must admit I am slightly sceptical about it being an elongated hunting fold - just seems a tad long and unnecessarily hard work for that - but it is not as if I have a brilliant alternative to offer other than the hackneyed old "religious / tribal boundary marker" which tends to get trotted out when we do not breally have a clue... :D
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Ian61 on February 13, 2024, 01:30:04 PM
Quotemany of which were too heavy for groups of humans to have moved.

At least no speculating on aliens! 8)

A pity no map or diagram showing the shape. There is a suggestion that it has a shape so presumably not straight but ...?
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Jon Freitag on February 13, 2024, 01:31:03 PM
How about as a defensive barrier to protect prime real estate from rising water levels due to climate change? 
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Jim Webster on February 13, 2024, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: Jon Freitag on February 13, 2024, 01:31:03 PMHow about as a defensive barrier to protect prime real estate from rising water levels due to climate change? 

I think there are earth banks in the UK which had a cattle herding (as opposed to housing) purpose
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Jon Freitag on February 13, 2024, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on February 13, 2024, 01:57:27 PM
Quote from: Jon Freitag on February 13, 2024, 01:31:03 PMHow about as a defensive barrier to protect prime real estate from rising water levels due to climate change? 

I think there are earth banks in the UK which had a cattle herding (as opposed to housing) purpose

If I was fluent in emoji, I might be able to find one for tongue-in-cheek.
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Duncan Head on February 13, 2024, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ian61 on February 13, 2024, 01:30:04 PMA pity no map or diagram showing the shape. There is a suggestion that it has a shape so presumably not straight but ...?
There are maps in the original academic article at https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2312008121 but not the easiest to interpret.
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Ian61 on February 13, 2024, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on February 13, 2024, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Ian61 on February 13, 2024, 01:30:04 PMA pity no map or diagram showing the shape. There is a suggestion that it has a shape so presumably not straight but ...?
There are maps in the original academic article at https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2312008121 but not the easiest to interpret.

Thanks Duncan - I see what you mean - eventually you do get a close up the map and scan labelled 2B and 2C - essentially a wavy line.
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Imperial Dave on February 13, 2024, 08:50:30 PM
If it was in Egypt then it could be in de nile
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Ian61 on February 13, 2024, 10:48:16 PM
With a bit more time to look further I actually find myself less convinced about human origin for this feature. The lack of stones to one side suggests nature may have had a hand here. Even the text does not seem totally convinced in places but still goes on with a large amount of entertaining speculation.
Title: Re: Prehistoric "hunting wall" under the Baltic
Post by: Imperial Dave on February 16, 2024, 06:37:16 AM
https://www.archaeology.org/news/12157-240214-baltic-sea-blinkerwall

Not much more but another article