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Title: Qaramita....
Post by: Jim Webster on March 03, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
Got an email from a friend

"in a fit of madness I got a DBA army (sort of painted).  Only info I've seen is that they tended to wear red clothes.

The guy who sold 'em has put large, rectangular 'pavises' on the dismounted spearmen whereas everybody riding something has a large buckler/medium sized round shield.  Any ideas?"

I'm wondering what to advise him  ???
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Duncan Head on March 03, 2022, 07:49:46 PM
Look back through your Slingshot archive for the article I wrote about them, probably in the 2010s. Based on the Constantine Porphyrogenitus passage given here (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3al15wpFWiMC&pg=PA79&lpg=PA79&dq=constantine+porphyrogenitus+%22not+horses+but+camels%22&source=bl&ots=7y84jwIX7x&sig=ACfU3U3yiGSi2d97TjIkaE40wbdudnDVLw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj0tbHc2qr2AhVHPcAKHRIeCPEQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=constantine%20porphyrogenitus%20%22not%20horses%20but%20camels%22&f=false) - "they have long spears and shields as tall as a man".
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Andreas Johansson on March 03, 2022, 08:26:27 PM
Slingshot #256, January 2008

(Why, yes, a Carmathian army is on my "hopefully someday" list.)
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Mark G on March 03, 2022, 11:07:17 PM
I thought Carmathian was a shade of Red.  Where were these chaps hanging around?
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Andreas Johansson on March 04, 2022, 06:26:18 AM
There were at least two lots of them, one rather ephemeral in Syria, and a more enduring one in eastern Arabia. The latter got around to sacking Mecca, plundering Iraq, and invading Egypt at various points. The most thorough account of them I'm aware of online is at Encyclopedia Iranica (https://iranicaonline.org/articles/carmatians-ismailis).

I confess that part of the reason I've wanted to do an army of them is that they're reported to have worn pink clothes and carried white flags.
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Duncan Head on March 04, 2022, 11:10:00 AM
I found the original of my Slingshot article. Here it is.
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: vexillia on March 04, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
Duncan is the army book by Kennedy worth the £30-40 people are asking for it?
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: nikgaukroger on March 04, 2022, 01:37:35 PM
Quote from: vexillia on March 04, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
Duncan is the army book by Kennedy worth the £30-40 people are asking for it?

2nd hand copies for just over £20 on Amazon and IMO well worth that.
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Duncan Head on March 04, 2022, 03:10:52 PM
I'm with Nik - I'd happily pay £20, but balk at £40.
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: vexillia on March 04, 2022, 04:05:31 PM
Ordered second hand for £20.99 from Amazon as suggested.

Thanks Nik & Duncan and I'm telling the wife it's all your fault.  ::)
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Jim Webster on March 04, 2022, 04:34:05 PM
Thanks all
Jim
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: Duncan Head on March 04, 2022, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: vexillia on March 04, 2022, 04:05:31 PMThanks Nik & Duncan and I'm telling the wife it's all your fault.  ::)
You won't be the first.
Title: Re: Qaramita....
Post by: vexillia on March 10, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
Copy arrived and to my surprise it was "Like New" as described by https://www.amnesty.org.uk/amnesty-bookshops