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Title: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Chris on March 23, 2022, 10:39:41 AM
Gents,

Doing some more "research" on Murten with a possible idea taking shape. Anyway.

In one source, I found a list of troop types in the Swiss force present at Grandson.

All of the types were recognizable save for "coulovriniers."

An Internet search proved unsuccessful, unless I was looking for financial advisors, a tavern, or something else.

My guess is that this might be a reference to handgunners, but I am not certain.

Any help or links to a page would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Erpingham on March 23, 2022, 11:07:42 AM
The most likely meaning is handgunners, from coulverine a main - a handgun.  Larger coulverines could be mounted on a stand (or crutch) as a form of light artillery. 

P.S. If you really want to get into the variety of artillery used in the Burgundian Wars, the go-to book is Douglas-Smith and DeVries : The Artillery of the Dukes of Burgundy 1363 - 1477.
Title: Re: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Chris on March 24, 2022, 12:14:55 AM
Many thanks Anthony!

And I do have pages from the text you mention. Kicking myself for not copying more - especially the introduction.

Again, appreciate the assist and translation. From the French, I presume.

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Erpingham on March 24, 2022, 08:57:34 AM
QuoteFrom the French, I presume.

Indeed.  The spelling is inconsistent in contemporary documents - Douglas-Smith and DeVries give ten variants.
Title: Re: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Nick Harbud on March 24, 2022, 10:09:31 AM
Wikipedia has a nice picture here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culverin#/media/File:EarlyCoulevrines.jpg)

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Title: Re: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Chris on March 25, 2022, 08:55:56 AM
Thanks again. Helpful.

Quite an odd looking piece, I must say . . .

Must have been a chore to load and must have made quite a racket when discharged.


Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: Definition of "coulovriniers"
Post by: Erpingham on March 25, 2022, 11:24:42 AM
One of the things to remember is that coulverine was an evolving weapon and exactly what was meant by one might have varied between authors .  If you flicked through the pictures in that gallery Nick linked, you will find considerable differences.  It's also probably moot whether coulverineer in the 1470s always meant a man with a coulverine rather than other types of handgun.