We happy chaps are still testing lots of options for CK.
The rules will be out in a month or so.
We are testing army types.
CK is pretty generic.
This week it was bow foot versus pike foot.
Each army had about 16 units.150 figures.
The armies were 15mm sized.
The game area is 6 zones wide and 5 zones deep.
This is a gridded game (an update of the 1998 version)
The WOTR army was attacking.
The flanks of the army had plenty of bows.
These two flanks advanced in order to bash the Scots wings.
Giving a Zulu type layout.
This was fairly effective but not quick enough.
The defending Scots launched a surprise surge.
The Scots poked a big hole in the held back WOTR centre.
(11 scores of 5,6 out of 14 D6. Gosh!)
The WOTR army fought back but continued to move too slowly.
The battle win criteria are based on kills, quality and ground held.Plus a few army compensations.
The Scots won the game by ground held as the kill D6 were fairly equal.
I will get some pictures attached to the next battle report in order to get some interest.
thanks
martin :)
I would be interested to see this
I've got Conquerors and Kings 'square bashing' rules and although I haven't played them for years, they are still in my rules bookcase and|I remember them quite fondly as producing a good game with a big battle 'feel'.
Sorry WOTR can I assume War of the Roses as opposed to a crusader 'Wrath of the Righteous'. Momentarily had a vision of a righteous crusade against those pesky Scotsmen. ;D
Or war of the ring
WOTR does seem to be commonly interpreted as War of the Ring. Sorry for that. Just a habit of being old.
martin :)
Its my immediate thought but thats me! ;D
I wouldn't worry too much, Martin. While aware of the Tolkien connection, it wouldn't be the first to occur to me and I'm sure those who own Wars of the Roses armies would be the same.
Medieval Scots v English is a bit of a favourite of mine and I've got armies for both. I find there is a difficulty in getting the longbow/spearman balance right. Longbows too strong and it's like advancing into machine gun fire. Longbows too weak and they don't make sufficient dent in the close-combat steamroller of the shiltrons.
A period I have long resisted due to other commitments but maybe one day.....
I consider it to be the entry level English speaking civil war, in that it has a bibliography a tenth the size of the main English speaking civil wars.
Some periods have bibliography's that can cripple a bookshelf. SWW, Napoleonic and the 2 big English speaking civil wars are the worst I think, and you can usually only cope with 2 in a lifetime if you want to keep up with the reading
My bookshelves cant cope as it is...
Quote from: Imperial Dave on July 15, 2023, 10:36:10 AMA period I have long resisted due to other commitments but maybe one day.....
A period I have long resisted due to it being too flipping complicated. I read Trevor Royale's book 'The War of the Roses - England's First Civil War' last year and it sort of made sense at the time even if an insane sort of sense but it really doesn't want to sit in my brain at all, I keep getting my battles of St Albans mixed up. The models look cool though! 8)
Yes they do look good
Quote'The War of the Roses - England's First Civil War'
Only if you ignore the several that preceded it.
Quote from: Erpingham on July 16, 2023, 10:30:58 AMQuote'The War of the Roses - England's First Civil War'
Only if you ignore the several that proceeded it.
You are not the first to point that out to me. I had several comments at home when they saw the cover. All the family have read most of the Brother Cadfael novels, set of course during the war between Stephen and Matilda.
The two Barons' Wars weren't insignificant, either.
They must have got fed up of each other in the end..
I suppose you have to ask at what point the civil war became 'English' and not just dynastic infighting between various aristocratic clans :)
Quote from: Jim Webster on July 16, 2023, 06:17:28 PMI suppose you have to ask at what point the civil war became 'English' and not just dynastic infighting between various aristocratic clans :)
I think that was Trevor Royale's justification.
Quote from: Ian61 on July 16, 2023, 07:21:49 PMQuote from: Jim Webster on July 16, 2023, 06:17:28 PMI suppose you have to ask at what point the civil war became 'English' and not just dynastic infighting between various aristocratic clans :)
I think that was Trevor Royale's justification.
There was I thinking the Wars of the Roses was all about rival aristocratic factions trying to control the throne. My bad :)
I think I will stick with a war between indigenous factions intent on gaining control of the country. How extensive things have to become to not be either a revolt or a rebellion is for another time (otherwise we'd be knee deep in medieval civil strife).
I know what you mean it seems strange that it seems for many life went on as normal whilst the occasional battles were happening between various quite small Armies compared to classical times. It is certainly very different to the mass involvement of people with the 'Civil War'.