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Title: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: vexillia on July 23, 2021, 04:56:51 PM
Title says it all except they are for a (planned) North African Arab army.  Ideally something that will match with Essex.

PS They don't have to firing the bow as a bow case & quiver would do.
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: Anton on July 23, 2021, 08:54:35 PM
https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/eq45-asiatic-cavalry-equipment-3019-p.asp

Martin, you might try adding a bow case and quiver to suitable figures.  Donnington have the separate bow case available above.  Outpost also supply them with their Crusades range.  You might be able to order some from them.

Or, these might do.

https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/nabataeans-35-c.asp
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: Duncan Head on July 23, 2021, 09:29:49 PM
Would any heavy cavalry in a North African army carry bows? The Khurasanians sent to join the Aghlabid army, maybe; but of course they're not actually Arabs.
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: vexillia on July 23, 2021, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: Anton on July 23, 2021, 08:54:35 PM
Or, these might do - https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/nabataeans-35-c.asp
Thanks.  They just might.
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: vexillia on July 23, 2021, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on July 23, 2021, 09:29:49 PM
Would any heavy cavalry in a North African army carry bows? The Khurasanians sent to join the Aghlabid army, maybe; but of course they're not actually Arabs.
In the ADLG list they are listed as Abbasiya (Tunisia 795-818 AD).  Does that help?
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: Duncan Head on July 23, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
Yes; the Abbasiya were a corps raised in Khurasan c.795 by the Abbasids. A detachment were sent to North Africa with Ibrahim ibn al-Aghlab to uphold Abbasid authority, and stayed on when he began to act independently. So they were actually Eastern Iranians, not Arabs.

You could do worse than use Ghaznavid ghulam figures.   
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: vexillia on July 24, 2021, 08:59:43 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on July 23, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
You could do worse than use Ghaznavid ghulam figures.
Thanks.  Looks like this is now sorted.
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: vexillia on July 27, 2021, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on July 23, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
Yes; the Abbasiya were a corps raised in Khurasan c.795 by the Abbasids. A detachment were sent to North Africa with Ibrahim ibn al-Aghlab to uphold Abbasid authority, and stayed on when he began to act independently. So they were actually Eastern Iranians, not Arabs.

[1] Would I be right in assuming they would be more colourfully dressed compared to the Arabs?   

[2] Are there any online sources or book illustrations that I can use as painting inspiration?

Thanks.
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: Duncan Head on July 27, 2021, 01:01:06 PM
Possibly, the East Iranian/Central Asian tradition is quite colourful; but they might also favour Abbasid black.

See this page (http://warfare.tk/11/Lashkari_Bazar-wall_paintings.htm) for slightly later Ghaznavid styles that might be similar to the Abbasiya, or this one (http://warfare.tk/Persia/Sogdian_murals_from_Panjakent-6-8C.htm) for slightly earlier Central Asian styles.
Title: Re: 15 mm Figures for Arab Heavy Cavalry with Bow (pre-1000 AD)
Post by: vexillia on November 07, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
And here they are:

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfWMw45mU_IFIu8Qv20R_N96cy04dMLsgaaGFlslBnu65bx1kWRGfw1fG0U8BY0-ZJdOu9Nm9khHW1DuQQNuATsqoM2GdF1WeLsPdBvikZMLfoVpAtYvbeDq6WhN44RWp5ry6MunRRTU0f6XkaENrD3YSAfWmgmeEGDBkxO2lBIa8A1JGXxdkI1IIb9Fi2/s1200/20231106%20-%20S8002346f.webp)

https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2023/11/15-mm-iranian-cavalry-forged-in-battle.html