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Title: Can you identified these figures
Post by: ancientone on June 05, 2022, 04:30:21 PM
I know a wide range of nations of the ancient and medieval world but these have stumped me
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 05, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
Museum Miniatures?
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Duncan Head on June 05, 2022, 05:15:21 PM
The pose and the style look vaguely Minifigs to me. The figure looks like an Assyrian with a Celtic shield!

I did wonder if it was meant for a late Carthaginian citizen spearman (AMPW figure 98), but he's not quite like the AMPW drawing.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: dwkay57 on June 05, 2022, 05:41:55 PM
In the Osprey Ancient Assyrians book there is a figure in the background of Plate A who looks similar.

Depending upon the age of the figure he could have been modelled from something like Blandford's Warriors and Weapons of Early Times. The section on Assyrians has some figures that are quite close matches.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Anton on June 05, 2022, 05:47:56 PM
I'm guessing they are supposed to be Spanish Scutarii.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: dwkay57 on June 05, 2022, 06:01:17 PM
The nose and the chiselled face on the figure looks very Lamming to me. Bill did do an Assyrian range and there is a Lamming Miniatures website still in existence but not all models have photos, but you could ask there.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Duncan Head on June 05, 2022, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: dwkay57 on June 05, 2022, 06:01:17 PM
The nose and the chiselled face on the figure looks very Lamming to me

So what scale are these figures? I thought they looked 15mm, but of course Lammings were 25s.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Erpingham on June 05, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Followed dave and Stephens suggestions and they look very similar to Museum Miniatures CG13 Spanish Scutarius, though the website picture is very tiny.

https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/spanish-scutarius.html



Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Martin Smith on June 05, 2022, 09:47:02 PM
No chance they're Thracians? Thought I saw the edges of a cloak, and the beard looks more Thrace than Spain (?).
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Duncan Head on June 05, 2022, 09:52:04 PM
I'm fairly persuaded by Anthony's Museum scutarius photo - though neither the beard nor the helmet looks especially appropriate for Spaniards. I can see no reason why you shouldn't use them, or repaint them, as Hellenistic Thracians, though.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Erpingham on June 06, 2022, 09:32:17 AM
The helmet type looks vaguely Celtic - pointed crown, cheek flaps, neck guard.  Can't find a clear match in either reconstructions or period artefacts though.  Full beard would be very odd for Iberians - I think all the contemporary images I can think of show them as clean shaven.  Were Celtiberians hairier?
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Swampster on June 06, 2022, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on June 05, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Followed dave and Stephens suggestions and they look very similar to Museum Miniatures CG13 Spanish Scutarius, though the website picture is very tiny.

https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/spanish-scutarius.html
I think that is the one. You can enlarge the picture on the first page with the normal Windows zoom in. The scutarius with sword also seems to be bearded.
The squared shield isn't as useful as if it were an oval, but overlooking that I would be tempted to use them as either Cartho citizens, Roman trained Numidians or Galatian armed Kappadokians (probably need to paint on some trousers).
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Duncan Head on June 06, 2022, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on June 06, 2022, 09:32:17 AM
The helmet type looks vaguely Celtic - pointed crown, cheek flaps, neck guard.  Can't find a clear match in either reconstructions or period artefacts though.  Full beard would be very odd for Iberians - I think all the contemporary images I can think of show them as clean shaven.  Were Celtiberians hairier?
Vaguely is the word - looks more Near Eastern spired to me, and the cheekpieces remind me more of some Assyrian or Neo-Hittite styles than the usual scalloped Celtic ones. No, I don't think there is any reason to think Celtiberians were hairier - certainly not those big Assyrian-style spade beards.

Quote from: Swampster on June 06, 2022, 11:46:56 AMThe squared shield isn't as useful as if it were an oval, but overlooking that I would be tempted to use them as either Cartho citizens, Roman trained Numidians or Galatian armed Kappadokians (probably need to paint on some trousers).

Yes - for a figure that's not an especially accurate rendering of anything, there's quite a lot you could use them for!
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 06, 2022, 12:38:31 PM
Id file the helmet down to something resembling rounded so could be used for a lot more armies
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Jim Webster on June 06, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on June 05, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Followed dave and Stephens suggestions and they look very similar to Museum Miniatures CG13 Spanish Scutarius, though the website picture is very tiny.

https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/spanish-scutarius.html

I think you've got it

I'd class it as a generically almost useful figure  8)
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: ancientone on June 06, 2022, 05:06:14 PM
Thanks everyone looks like MM spanish figures the top choice
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 06, 2022, 05:22:37 PM
No worries. They just immediately struck me as being MM figures....distinctive
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Nick Harbud on June 08, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
Wolves supporters?

???
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Erpingham on June 08, 2022, 05:20:49 PM
Quote from: NickHarbud on June 08, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
Wolves supporters?

???

Non-Uk members may need to look up the colours of Wolverhampton Wanderers at this point.
Title: Re: Can you identified these figures
Post by: Imperial Dave on June 08, 2022, 07:17:42 PM
For some reason that immediately made me think of subbuteo