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Caesarian Roman Cavalry

Started by FriedlandUK, March 21, 2017, 09:12:21 PM

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David Kush

I've always assumed the lack of Roman home grown cavalry was due to the expansion of the armies during the civil wars. The equities who had been what the cavalry had been were needed as junior officers in the expanded legions. It forced the belligerent too look to foreigners. Actual Roman cavalry would be limited to General's bodyguards.

Duncan Head

McCall identifies the last definite documented reference to citizen Roman cavalry as 102 BC, which is a bit too early for civil war expansion. There are occasional later forces, such as Pompey's "flower of Rome and of Italy", but they seem to have been one-off levies rather than part of regular legionary organization.
Duncan Head

Flaminpig0

Quote from: David Kush on December 02, 2017, 09:43:02 PM
I've always assumed the lack of Roman home grown cavalry was due to the expansion of the armies during the civil wars. The equities who had been what the cavalry had been were needed as junior officers in the expanded legions. It forced the belligerent too look to foreigners. Actual Roman cavalry would be limited to General's bodyguards.

That seems very plausible.

Patrick Waterson

The lack of Roman home-grown cavalry may just be a matter of a) the superior prestige of commanding, or being in, legions (cavalry was a bit of a sideline in the cursus honorum) and b) given the availability of plentiful good cavalry in Gallia, Hispania etc. simply not wanting to be in a situation of keeping a dog and barking oneself.

It may be noteworthy that during the early Empire, cavalry was regularised (in that it was formed into cohors equitata paid by the Roman treasury as opposed to being 'subcontracted' from its home regions) but in times of crisis it was infantry, not cavalry, that was levied in Italy.  It seems fair to say that infantry was seen as the battlewinner and cavalry as an inferior status arm provided by other people.
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Duncan Head

Quote from: Patrick Waterson on December 05, 2017, 08:56:34 AMIt may be noteworthy that during the early Empire, cavalry was regularised (in that it was formed into cohors equitata

Oh, Patrick :-[ You know better than that.

For those who don't know the Roman army, most auxiliary cavalry were formed in alae. The cohors equitata was a mixed unit, mostly infantry with some cavalry of lower status than the alae.
Duncan Head

Patrick Waterson

Oops, quite right, Duncan: apologies to all.  Mind wandering. :-[

Relevant units were the ala quingenaria (about 500 chaps on horseback) and ala millaria (a theoretical thousand or so riders).

The cohors equitata attached about 120 cavalry to around 480 infantry.

Early Imperial cavalry were organised in subunits (turmae) of 30-32 men, four making up a 120-man formation and logically sixteen a 480-man ala.
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Patrick Waterson

Just to add: 32-man turmae would give us 128 horsemen as the mounted component of a cohors equitata and 512 in an ala quingenaria.

A cohors millaria equitata would similarly have 256 horsemen rather than 240.

We have had the designations cuneus (with respect to cavalry) and numerus popping up without clear indication as to what strengths they represent, although the numerus is generally considered to correspond to the 240/256-man cavalry formation.

I am tempted to suggest that a 120/128-man formation may be the elusive cuneus and the 240/256-man assemblage the numerus, and these may also have been used as subunits of an ala.

Any thoughts?
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Duncan Head

This is getting a long way from Caesar, so can I suggest that if anyone does want to debate cuneus and numerus strengths, they start a fresh thread?
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Patrick Waterson

Yes, sorry.  The question in my mind is how the locally-recruited cavalry of the Caesarian era were organised: would it have been along tribal lines or in a Romanised prototype of the early Imperial organisation?  Or somewhere between the two?
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Duncan Head

There is some information in Jonathan Prag's article "Troops and commanders: auxilia externa under the Roman Republic", though mostly only on higher levels of command; and of course the famous example of Pompeius Strabo's turma salluitana - 30 Spanish cavalry organised as a Roman-style turma, but with no hint that they're any part of a larger ala.
Duncan Head

aligern

Isn't there some evidence for Celtic cavalry in Roman service having servants? I presumed that these were young nobles who brought servants with them.
Roy

Patrick Waterson

Quote from: Duncan Head on December 07, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
There is some information in Jonathan Prag's article "Troops and commanders: auxilia externa under the Roman Republic", though mostly only on higher levels of command; and of course the famous example of Pompeius Strabo's turma salluitana - 30 Spanish cavalry organised as a Roman-style turma, but with no hint that they're any part of a larger ala.

Yes, and they served in Italy during the Social War, which gives them more reason and likelihood to be under Roman organisation than Caesar's 'borrowed' Gauls and Germans.

One key to organisation would be how troops were raised.  "Bring me 512 of your best men and I shall equip them" would point to a regular-style ala, while "Bring me your tribe's cavalry" would imply tribal organisation, command and equipment.

At Gergovia, allied Gallic infantry are distinguished by 'leaving the right shoulder uncovered'; Gallic and Germanic cavalry were rather more intensively cultivated by Caesar and may have received presents of Roman armour and clothing.  My guess would be that any not so clad would be sartorially Romanised during his 50 BC passage through Italy for reasons of image if nothing else.  Organisation is another matter, as Caesar's Gallic and Germanic cavalry are clearly under their own commanders, as witnessed by the defection of two of them to Pompey at Dyrrhachium.

Tentative conclusion: Caesarian cavalry continued to operate under their own leaders, probably using their own organisation and tactical style (although Caesar had some input at Pharsalus, he seems to have borrowed a German concept).  They may increasingly have worn Roman armour and perhaps retained their own weaponry.  These conditions presumably prevailed until AD9 and the loss of Varus' legions to a German revolt spearheaded by the Romans' German auxiliaries (which itself indicates the auxiliaries were not serving under Roman commanders).
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eques

Well, the Punic War Roman Cavalry was citizen cavalry, as was the infantry.  As the empire expanded, using citizen cavalry would have become just as inappropriate for the tasks in hand as citizen infantry, if not more so.

So when the Romans moved to a professional army recruited from the poor they would have wanted to keep the Roman fighting style and equipment for the infantry. Cavalry, though, was more generic and its role could be fulfilled as well by foreign mercenaries as Romans. What's more, it was probably cheaper and less hassle to do it that way (no horse breeding programmes etc)

I doubt very.much such cavalry would have been integrated into the Roman system at all.  I think they were just mercenaries.

I'm going to continue using gallic/spanish/greek miniatures for mine.

Patrick Waterson

Quote from: eques on December 10, 2017, 11:38:28 PM
I doubt very much such cavalry would have been integrated into the Roman system at all.  I think they were just mercenaries.

Regarding Caesarian cavalry small unit tactics, this is probably about right, although at a higher level they would have to be integrated into the Roman command structure and understand what the C-in-C was trying to tell them to get on with in their own traditional way.

'Mercenaries' may give a misleading impression: contingents seem to have been financed and supported by their own peoples of origin, at least while operating on their own doorstep.  The cavalry Caesar took to Greece would have to be supported by Caesar himself, as communication with their homelands did not exist.  They appear to have served Caesar for prestige reasons (his as much as theirs) as opposed to just for money, which is why I would quibble about 'mercenaries'.

When the action moves to North Africa for the showdown against Scipio and Labienus, Caesar in a cavalry skirmish orders turmae Hispanorum (Spanish turmae) to drive opponents off a hill (African War XXIX).  On the other side, Labienus had some Gauls and Germans, "some of whom had followed Labienus from Gaul in deference to his authority; others had been induced to join him by rewards and promises; and there were yet others who, having been made prisoners after Curio's defeat and their lives being spared, had been anxious to give proof of their unswerving gratitude by maintaining a correspondingly unswerving loyalty."

This in turn indicates that Curio's cavalry consisted at least in part of Gauls and Germans, so the sourcing of cavalry appears reasonably consistent, i.e. just about anywhere except Italy.  When Scipio draws up his army in African War XLI, he intersperses equestri turmatim (turmae of cavalry) between his elephants, so we begin to get a picture that the turma is the basic unit of low-level organisation irrespective of tribal origin, but whether this indicates a Romanised organisation or just a Roman term superimposed upon whatever organisation existed in a tribal lineup is another question.  The giveaway rank of decurion, suggesting a tie-in with Roman low-level organisation., is used once in Caesar's Gallic War, when Lucius Aemilius, a decurionis equitum Gallorum (decurion of Gallic cavalry), leaks to the Helvetii that Caesar is moving to Bibracte rather than against them.

On balance, Caesar's usage (and that of Hirtius, his pseudo-amanuensis) suggests Roman organisation for non-Roman cavalry in Roman service.

QuoteI'm going to continue using gallic/spanish/greek miniatures for mine.

That should still work well appearance-wise, although a few spare Roman figures could still be added without loss of fidelity.
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