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Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD

Started by aligern, May 25, 2012, 12:11:49 AM

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DougM

Jim is to modest, but he must take a lot of the credit for the reworked Parthian lists, which are (IMHO) much improved, and much less one (two?) - dimensional than received WW (wargamers wisdom) would have them.
"Let the great gods Mithra and Ahura help us, when the swords are loudly clashing, when the nostrils of the horses are a tremble,...  when the strings of the bows are whistling and sending off sharp arrows."  http://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/

Jim Webster

Well it's only taken me thirty years

Jim

DougM

I feel so inadequate.. I have only been researching the Sasanians for 16...
"Let the great gods Mithra and Ahura help us, when the swords are loudly clashing, when the nostrils of the horses are a tremble,...  when the strings of the bows are whistling and sending off sharp arrows."  http://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/

Jim Webster

Exactly, in another 14 years people might start to think you're serious about it   ;)

Jim

DougM

Does the amount of money I have spent on research materiel count?  Because that would demonstrate seriousness...  and the near divorce, when I accidentally leave the receipts for another 200 dollar book lying around..
"Let the great gods Mithra and Ahura help us, when the swords are loudly clashing, when the nostrils of the horses are a tremble,...  when the strings of the bows are whistling and sending off sharp arrows."  http://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/

Jim Webster

Amazing how people don't see the importance of these books isn't it.  :o

A wise man doesn't collect reciepts  :)
Jim

Mark

Offer her half your library, I find that defuses the divorce discussion quickly

DougM

Nooooo... the first wife took my entire library.. I have been rebuilding since 1993
"Let the great gods Mithra and Ahura help us, when the swords are loudly clashing, when the nostrils of the horses are a tremble,...  when the strings of the bows are whistling and sending off sharp arrows."  http://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/

DougM

And for those who are interested, there are some excellent illustrations of seals from the Sasanian period here:

http://www.iranian.com/main/albums/sp-hbeds

These are not explicitly dated, but they have some very interesting characteristics in the horse armour and decoration.
"Let the great gods Mithra and Ahura help us, when the swords are loudly clashing, when the nostrils of the horses are a tremble,...  when the strings of the bows are whistling and sending off sharp arrows."  http://aleadodyssey.blogspot.com/

aligern

Do they have light horse with bow and contus Jim??
(these interesting Parthians??)

Roy

Jim Webster

Quote from: aligern on June 08, 2012, 12:34:47 AM
Do they have light horse with bow and contus Jim??
(these interesting Parthians??)

Roy

Looking at the Nisa murals they had horse with bow and javelins/light spear who took part in combats that look like a real furball

They had horsemen with bow and Kontos, and some of these had more or less armour than others. Personally I suspect that when you saw the cataphracts lined up, those at the front had the full kit and as you went back through the ranks you met the guys with less kit and some of them perhaps with no armour at all.
Or they may have worn mail under a tunic like their predecessors did.

Jim

aligern

Jim, put Carrhae up here and we can all debate it on topic so to speak.
Roy

Jim Webster

I'll try and get it done in the next few days
Jim

Patrick Waterson

One warning: Plutarch's account of Carrhae runs to about 50,000 characters.  Posts on this forum have a 20,000 character limit.  This one may need to be posted by instalments!

Patrick
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill

Jim Webster