Author Topic: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD  (Read 30869 times)

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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2012, 11:24:33 AM »
Jim is to modest, but he must take a lot of the credit for the reworked Parthian lists, which are (IMHO) much improved, and much less one (two?) - dimensional than received WW (wargamers wisdom) would have them.
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2012, 11:34:47 AM »
Well it's only taken me thirty years

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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 11:47:00 AM »
I feel so inadequate.. I have only been researching the Sasanians for 16...
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 12:56:10 PM »
Exactly, in another 14 years people might start to think you're serious about it   ;)

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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2012, 01:21:21 PM »
Does the amount of money I have spent on research materiel count?  Because that would demonstrate seriousness...  and the near divorce, when I accidentally leave the receipts for another 200 dollar book lying around..
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 01:51:44 PM »
Amazing how people don't see the importance of these books isn't it.  :o

A wise man doesn't collect reciepts  :)
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2012, 02:07:32 PM »
Offer her half your library, I find that defuses the divorce discussion quickly
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2012, 02:23:04 PM »
Nooooo... the first wife took my entire library.. I have been rebuilding since 1993
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2012, 04:11:22 PM »
And for those who are interested, there are some excellent illustrations of seals from the Sasanian period here:

http://www.iranian.com/main/albums/sp-hbeds

These are not explicitly dated, but they have some very interesting characteristics in the horse armour and decoration.
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2012, 12:34:47 AM »
Do they have light horse with bow and contus Jim??
(these interesting Parthians??)

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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2012, 06:19:33 AM »
Do they have light horse with bow and contus Jim??
(these interesting Parthians??)

Roy

Looking at the Nisa murals they had horse with bow and javelins/light spear who took part in combats that look like a real furball

They had horsemen with bow and Kontos, and some of these had more or less armour than others. Personally I suspect that when you saw the cataphracts lined up, those at the front had the full kit and as you went back through the ranks you met the guys with less kit and some of them perhaps with no armour at all.
Or they may have worn mail under a tunic like their predecessors did.

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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2012, 09:01:16 AM »
Jim, put Carrhae up here and we can all debate it on topic so to speak.
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2012, 08:46:30 PM »
I'll try and get it done in the next few days
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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2012, 12:29:52 AM »
One warning: Plutarch's account of Carrhae runs to about 50,000 characters.  Posts on this forum have a 20,000 character limit.  This one may need to be posted by instalments!

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Re: Chalons or Catalaunian Fields 452 AD
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2012, 07:42:20 AM »
I'll bear that one in mind
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