Jugurtha meets Marius

[Paul Innes]

Latest campaign battle report here:

http://caliban-somewhen.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/jugurtha-versus-marius.html

The guys in Glasgow couldn't do this one because I have all the appropriate North Africans, but now that it's done they can, hopefully, get on with the Cimbric War.

Paul

[Imperial Dave]

very nice figures and a great write up (love the blog btw).

one question though....

metal or plastic?

[Chris]

Once again, another impressive and inspiring depiction. Very well done!

I won't ask about rules, as I would figure Tactica II were used.

The mention of running out of time was interesting but not uncommon. (In several accounts of ADLG games I have read, the opposing commanders run out of time before a firm decision is reached.) Do you attribute your situation to the size of the scenario, the "inexperience" of the Roman players, a combination of the two, or something else?

Jugurtha vs  Marius . . . hmmmm. Perhaps I add something similar to my list of games to consider or play? I wonder how such an engagement would  go with Armati 2nd, Impetus, or ADLG. At the risk of complicating things, seems like fertile ground for a mini campaign wherein a younger Sulla might figure prominently, thus setting in motion the wheel of events that would mark future chapters of the relationship between the two great men.

Thanks for posting.

Chris

[Paul Innes]

Hi both, I tried to answer this earlier but lost the forum connection - apologies if this appears more than once. The reason we ran out of time is that I was using a room at work, but a meeting that was supposed to finish beforehand ran on. This cut down the time I had set aside for setup. We still saw a resolution, though.

Paul

[Patrick Waterson]

Marius became infamous for recruiting from the capita censi.  Drawing troops from the captive censi suggests a new level of reluctance or compulsion.

Excellent battle, Paul, as always.

[Paul Innes]

Thanks, Patrick. I really hate autocorrect!

[Mark G]

We tried jurgatha many times in armati.

Light cav jav armies are just not viable as the rules are written.

Romans box them in and run them over every time.

[Jim Webster]

We tried jurgatha many times in armati.

Light cav jav armies are just not viable as the rules are written.

Romans box them in and run them over every time.

can depend on table size, if you have a small army on large table it's fairer

You notice this with Impetus rules, different armies do better in 15mm than 25mm

[Tim]

It is a function of troop size, table density and time.  In DBM very different armies tend to do very at 25mm vs 15mm, and also 15mm singles vs doubles.  However I do agree with Mark, while 20 years ago LH armies would do ok, I can't think of a single ruleset that models LH well.  (Great news for us Roman players but less good for history...)

[DougM]

It is a function of troop size, table density and time.  In DBM very different armies tend to do very at 25mm vs 15mm, and also 15mm singles vs doubles.  However I do agree with Mark, while 20 years ago LH armies would do ok, I can't think of a single ruleset that models LH well.  (Great news for us Roman players but less good for history...)

Whether it models them well, I shall leave for others to comment, but LH armies are popular and quite successful in DBMM. Turkoman and Mongol are often seen in competition games.

[Mark G]

We'll of course, each rule set focusses on different things.

At the dbm(s) scale you have a lot of pre battle manoeuvre and the space to do it, which encourages light horse armies.

Armati starts at bow range, and has little real space to evade.

It also differentiates between bow and javelin on horseback, to the missile detriment of javelins.  All of which makes light cab jav armies very hard to play. 

Numidians especially.

[gavindbm]

As I like a challenge, I enjoy using my 28mm Seljuk Turkish light horse army (Perry Miniatures are so nice) in DBM on  6 foot by 4 for table.  They sometimes do well....and sometimes not.

[Tim]

Gavin

Agree it would LOOK impressive... However too ballsy a choice for me...