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Started by Jim Webster, March 03, 2022, 06:40:56 PM

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Jim Webster

March 03, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
Got an email from a friend

"in a fit of madness I got a DBA army (sort of painted).  Only info I've seen is that they tended to wear red clothes.

The guy who sold 'em has put large, rectangular 'pavises' on the dismounted spearmen whereas everybody riding something has a large buckler/medium sized round shield.  Any ideas?"

I'm wondering what to advise him  ???

Duncan Head

#1
March 03, 2022, 07:49:46 PM
Look back through your Slingshot archive for the article I wrote about them, probably in the 2010s. Based on the Constantine Porphyrogenitus passage given here - "they have long spears and shields as tall as a man".
Duncan Head

Andreas Johansson

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March 03, 2022, 08:26:27 PM
Slingshot #256, January 2008

(Why, yes, a Carmathian army is on my "hopefully someday" list.)
Lead Mountain 2024
Acquired: 243 infantry, 55 cavalry, 2 chariots, 95 other
Finished: 100 infantry, 16 cavalry, 3 chariots, 48 other

Mark G

#3
March 03, 2022, 11:07:17 PM
I thought Carmathian was a shade of Red.  Where were these chaps hanging around?

Andreas Johansson

#4
March 04, 2022, 06:26:18 AM
There were at least two lots of them, one rather ephemeral in Syria, and a more enduring one in eastern Arabia. The latter got around to sacking Mecca, plundering Iraq, and invading Egypt at various points. The most thorough account of them I'm aware of online is at Encyclopedia Iranica.

I confess that part of the reason I've wanted to do an army of them is that they're reported to have worn pink clothes and carried white flags.
Lead Mountain 2024
Acquired: 243 infantry, 55 cavalry, 2 chariots, 95 other
Finished: 100 infantry, 16 cavalry, 3 chariots, 48 other

Duncan Head

#5
March 04, 2022, 11:10:00 AM
I found the original of my Slingshot article. Here it is.
Duncan Head

vexillia

#6
March 04, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
Duncan is the army book by Kennedy worth the £30-40 people are asking for it?

nikgaukroger

#7
March 04, 2022, 01:37:35 PM
Quote from: vexillia on March 04, 2022, 12:59:11 PM
Duncan is the army book by Kennedy worth the £30-40 people are asking for it?

2nd hand copies for just over £20 on Amazon and IMO well worth that.
"The Roman Empire was not murdered and nor did it die a natural death; it accidentally committed suicide."

Duncan Head

#8
March 04, 2022, 03:10:52 PM
I'm with Nik - I'd happily pay £20, but balk at £40.
Duncan Head

vexillia

#9
March 04, 2022, 04:05:31 PM
Ordered second hand for £20.99 from Amazon as suggested.

Thanks Nik & Duncan and I'm telling the wife it's all your fault.  ::)

Jim Webster

#10
March 04, 2022, 04:34:05 PM
Thanks all
Jim

Duncan Head

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March 04, 2022, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: vexillia on March 04, 2022, 04:05:31 PMThanks Nik & Duncan and I'm telling the wife it's all your fault.  ::)
You won't be the first.
Duncan Head

vexillia

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March 10, 2022, 09:47:40 AM
Copy arrived and to my surprise it was "Like New" as described by https://www.amnesty.org.uk/amnesty-bookshops
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