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Can you identified these figures

Started by ancientone, June 05, 2022, 04:30:21 PM

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ancientone

I know a wide range of nations of the ancient and medieval world but these have stumped me

Imperial Dave

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Duncan Head

The pose and the style look vaguely Minifigs to me. The figure looks like an Assyrian with a Celtic shield!

I did wonder if it was meant for a late Carthaginian citizen spearman (AMPW figure 98), but he's not quite like the AMPW drawing.
Duncan Head

dwkay57

In the Osprey Ancient Assyrians book there is a figure in the background of Plate A who looks similar.

Depending upon the age of the figure he could have been modelled from something like Blandford's Warriors and Weapons of Early Times. The section on Assyrians has some figures that are quite close matches.
David

Anton

I'm guessing they are supposed to be Spanish Scutarii.

dwkay57

The nose and the chiselled face on the figure looks very Lamming to me. Bill did do an Assyrian range and there is a Lamming Miniatures website still in existence but not all models have photos, but you could ask there.
David

Duncan Head

Quote from: dwkay57 on June 05, 2022, 06:01:17 PM
The nose and the chiselled face on the figure looks very Lamming to me

So what scale are these figures? I thought they looked 15mm, but of course Lammings were 25s.
Duncan Head

Erpingham

Followed dave and Stephens suggestions and they look very similar to Museum Miniatures CG13 Spanish Scutarius, though the website picture is very tiny.

https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/spanish-scutarius.html




Martin Smith

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No chance they're Thracians? Thought I saw the edges of a cloak, and the beard looks more Thrace than Spain (?).
Martin
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Duncan Head

I'm fairly persuaded by Anthony's Museum scutarius photo - though neither the beard nor the helmet looks especially appropriate for Spaniards. I can see no reason why you shouldn't use them, or repaint them, as Hellenistic Thracians, though.
Duncan Head

Erpingham

The helmet type looks vaguely Celtic - pointed crown, cheek flaps, neck guard.  Can't find a clear match in either reconstructions or period artefacts though.  Full beard would be very odd for Iberians - I think all the contemporary images I can think of show them as clean shaven.  Were Celtiberians hairier?

Swampster

Quote from: Erpingham on June 05, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Followed dave and Stephens suggestions and they look very similar to Museum Miniatures CG13 Spanish Scutarius, though the website picture is very tiny.

https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/spanish-scutarius.html
I think that is the one. You can enlarge the picture on the first page with the normal Windows zoom in. The scutarius with sword also seems to be bearded.
The squared shield isn't as useful as if it were an oval, but overlooking that I would be tempted to use them as either Cartho citizens, Roman trained Numidians or Galatian armed Kappadokians (probably need to paint on some trousers).

Duncan Head

Quote from: Erpingham on June 06, 2022, 09:32:17 AM
The helmet type looks vaguely Celtic - pointed crown, cheek flaps, neck guard.  Can't find a clear match in either reconstructions or period artefacts though.  Full beard would be very odd for Iberians - I think all the contemporary images I can think of show them as clean shaven.  Were Celtiberians hairier?
Vaguely is the word - looks more Near Eastern spired to me, and the cheekpieces remind me more of some Assyrian or Neo-Hittite styles than the usual scalloped Celtic ones. No, I don't think there is any reason to think Celtiberians were hairier - certainly not those big Assyrian-style spade beards.

Quote from: Swampster on June 06, 2022, 11:46:56 AMThe squared shield isn't as useful as if it were an oval, but overlooking that I would be tempted to use them as either Cartho citizens, Roman trained Numidians or Galatian armed Kappadokians (probably need to paint on some trousers).

Yes - for a figure that's not an especially accurate rendering of anything, there's quite a lot you could use them for!
Duncan Head

Imperial Dave

Id file the helmet down to something resembling rounded so could be used for a lot more armies
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Jim Webster

Quote from: Erpingham on June 05, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
Followed dave and Stephens suggestions and they look very similar to Museum Miniatures CG13 Spanish Scutarius, though the website picture is very tiny.

https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/spanish-scutarius.html

I think you've got it

I'd class it as a generically almost useful figure  8)